POTUS 2020, part 1

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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by DNS » Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:12 pm

Steyer still hasn't qualified for tomorrow's Nevada debate.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/1 ... ate-115787

All those millions spent and it looks like his campaign is on life support.

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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by DNS » Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:20 pm

SethRich wrote:
Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:03 pm
Bernie's got the socialist nomination down pat, so I expect Warren to fade away.
Some pundits are saying Trump wants Bernie to get the nomination. It makes sense, since he would berate him as a socialist and probably have an easier chance of defeating him in the General election in November.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video ... nders.html

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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by lyndon taylor » Wed Feb 19, 2020 2:25 am

That's rubbish, Bernie has the best chance of beating Trump as he has mid and even right wing support the so called moderates don't
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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by DNS » Wed Feb 19, 2020 4:30 pm

lyndon taylor wrote:
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That's rubbish, Bernie has the best chance of beating Trump as he has mid and even right wing support the so called moderates don't
We'll see, if he gets the nomination that is. But if Bernie doesn't win the nomination, we'll never know for sure what would've happened. We'll also need to see who he picks as a running mate, as that could change things (if he gets the nomination).

Right now, without knowing who his running mate is, I'd estimate Trump winning about 35 out of 50 states against Bernie. On the popular vote it would be much closer, but what matters is the electoral vote, so Trump would win re-election. That's my prediction at this point if Bernie is the nominee. We could come back and quote our posts on election night or the day after and see who was right. :tongue:

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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by DNS » Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:17 pm

This is pretty cool, an interactive map where you can predict who will win each state and thereby the most electoral votes.

https://www.270towin.com/

Here is my prediction right now, if it's Bernie. But I could be wrong. I got the 2016 election way off when I predicted Hillary would win. :tongue:

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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by Bundokji » Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:36 pm

This was published in September last year

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-202 ... sy-to-beat
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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by SethRich » Wed Feb 19, 2020 9:58 pm

Greetings,

Trump will win with even more electoral college votes than last time.

Michican blue? Not a chance.

Bold prediction: By November, the Democrats will be a total rabble, ruined by DNC-interference, lack of funding, a chaotic primary process, factional in-fighting, scandals, and the public exposure of past lies, criminality and corruption.

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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by DNS » Thu Feb 20, 2020 4:27 pm

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Dems really went at it in last night's debate. They started right off swinging at Bloomberg. And then at the rest of each other.

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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by SethRich » Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:26 pm

Greetings,

Lol... well, if the most recent debate is anything to go by, my "bold prediction" is on-track.

Bloomberg was wrecked by Warren. With Biden and Bloomberg having both now displayed their ineptitude, the moderates/establishment will likely be looking for a new front runner...

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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by DNS » Sat Feb 22, 2020 10:33 pm

Bernie takes huge lead in Nevada and media has already announced him as the winner of Nevada.

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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by Bundokji » Sun Feb 23, 2020 9:07 am

This is what Trump tweeted:
Looks like Crazy Bernie is doing well in the Great State of Nevada. Biden & the rest look weak, & no way Mini Mike can restart his campaign after the worst debate performance in the history of Presidential Debates. Congratulations Bernie, & don’t let them take it away from you!
For someone who is a skillful bluffer as president Trump, it is difficult to tell if the aim of such tweets is to support Bernie or out of fear of him as the most difficult to beat opponent.
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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by SethRich » Sun Feb 23, 2020 9:26 am

Greetings Bundokji,

He wants Bernie out in front, and for the DNC to panic and for the super-delegates to try stealing the nomination away from Bernie.

Especially with the economy doing so well, no one other than socialists/progressives will vote for Bernie. If the DNC get their "establishment" candidate up, many Bernie voters will do as they did last time, and stay home or vote Trump.

In short, he is keen to take advantage of unresolved divisions within the Democrat party. Meanwhile, he has 95% support among Republicans, is getting significant percentages of registered Democrats along to his rallies and polls well with Indies.

The worst case scenario for Trump is a Dem candidate that would appeal to moderates and progressives that they could unify around (like I assume they did for Obama?) but I don't see who that would be. Next worst would be for an establishment candidate to take a natural lead, with the super-delegates' influence not changing the outcome, only bolstering it. And that's not how it's going either...

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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by Bundokji » Sun Feb 23, 2020 11:06 am

Hi Paul
SethRich wrote:
Sun Feb 23, 2020 9:26 am
He wants Bernie out in front, and for the DNC to panic and for the super-delegates to try stealing the nomination away from Bernie.
I agree in general, except on wanting Bernie to be in front is open to interpretations. I think president Trump is politically savvy and very intuitive, more than traditional politicians. I think he knows that Bernie would be his most likely and most difficult to beat opponent. By insinuating that Bernie is his favorite, he is weakening him by dividing the democrats through implying that he is the easiest to beat (when in fact he is the most difficult).
Especially with the economy doing so well, no one other than socialists/progressives will vote for Bernie. If the DNC get their "establishment" candidate up, many Bernie voters will do as they did last time, and stay home or vote Trump.
I agree that no establishment democrats has a chance of winning against Trump as things stand. In general, most US presidents get elected for a second term especially when the economy is doing well. The only exceptions as far as i know were Jimmy Carter and George H.W Bush. However, Trump was opposed by the republican establishment and he is a controversial figure, and yet, he was able to win the last elections. If Trump and Bernie have something in common, it is that both are consistent. The consistency of Trump is not as clear as Bernie, but both in my view are genuine in what they do. This is why, if they compete against each other, the debates between the two will be something memorable.

Also if you take globalism as a factor and how it is changing US politics, it contributed to Trump's presidency and could potentially help Sanders. Bernie is an extreme from a purely US internal perspective, but from a more global perspective, social democracy is far from extreme. The fact that the US is no longer a closed system can play out in many different ways.
In short, he is keen to take advantage of unresolved divisions within the Democrat party. Meanwhile, he has 95% support among Republicans, is getting significant percentages of registered Democrats along to his rallies and polls well with Indies.
Trump is a polarizing figure, hence many might vote for Bernie just to see Trump out regardless of policy. Remember, Trump was not as popular among republican voters as he is now and depended largely on a new movement that he created, and the corruption within the republican establishment assisted him. Same thing might happen with Bernie.
The worst case scenario for Trump is a Dem candidate that would appeal to moderates and progressives that they could unify around, but I don't see who that would be. Next worst would be for an establishment candidate to take a natural lead, with the super-delegates' influence not changing the outcome, only bolstering it. And that's not how it's going either...
If we differentiate between establishment democrats and moderate democrats, the electability of Bernie would look much better. Also the improvement in economy during the Trump era might have the opposite effect in the sense that economic welfare makes certain social ideals more appealing and ripe to be implemented. This is why, most left wing theorists would necessitate extreme capitalism as a per-condition for socialism/communism.
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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by DNS » Sun Feb 23, 2020 4:29 pm

SethRich wrote:
Sun Feb 23, 2020 9:26 am
Especially with the economy doing so well, no one other than socialists/progressives will vote for Bernie. If the DNC get their "establishment" candidate up, many Bernie voters will do as they did last time, and stay home or vote Trump.
Bundokji wrote:
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In general, most US presidents get elected for a second term especially when the economy is doing well. The only exceptions as far as i know were Jimmy Carter and George H.W Bush.
Correct, it almost always comes down to the economy. If people are working, making a fairly decent income, they'll vote for the incumbent or stay home. Those who are doing really well, will make a point to vote and even campaign for the incumbent.

I can't think of a time in modern history where the economy was good and the incumbent lost. Actually, the economy was not doing that good under Carter and H.W. at the end of their first term when they lost their re-election bids.

Tom Steyer is an idiot going after Trump on the economy. His commercials are literally about how he would be better for the economy than Trump, that he is a more successful businessman, that Trump declared bankruptcy at least twice, etc. People don't care about that; they just see the current state of the economy, the majority of people anyway.

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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by DNS » Sun Feb 23, 2020 4:33 pm

SethRich wrote:
Sun Feb 23, 2020 9:26 am
The worst case scenario for Trump is a Dem candidate that would appeal to moderates and progressives that they could unify around, but I don't see who that would be.
Bloomberg? At the debate Bloomberg basically accused Bernie of being a communist when he said something like, "some candidates want to abandon capitalism; that has been tried in the 20th century, it was called communism and it didn't work." To which Bernie responded, "that's a cheap shot."

Bloomberg could have wide appeal to moderate Dems, independents, and even some Republicans and Libertarians. Bloomberg has been registered now or in the past as a Dem, GOP, and independent.

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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by SethRich » Sun Feb 23, 2020 8:42 pm

Greetings,
DNS wrote:
Sun Feb 23, 2020 4:33 pm
Bloomberg? At the debate Bloomberg basically accused Bernie of being a communist when he said something like, "some candidates want to abandon capitalism; that has been tried in the 20th century, it was called communism and it didn't work." To which Bernie responded, "that's a cheap shot."
Well, he as a candidate doesn't seem up to scratch, but someone with his policies, yes.

Update: But to my earlier point, no candidate appeals to such people. Here's a couple of examples...



When it's Democrats against Republicans, that's one thing... but when it's maintaining market capitalism versus plunging your country into the poverty and tyranny of communism, that's another thing altogether.

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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by lyndon taylor » Mon Feb 24, 2020 12:29 am

Beats having fascists like Trump in charge.
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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by SethRich » Mon Feb 24, 2020 6:00 am

Greetings,

As Timbuk 3 sang in 1986, "The future's so bright, I gotta wear shades"

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8-)

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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by SethRich » Mon Feb 24, 2020 6:07 am

Greetings,
lyndon taylor wrote:
Mon Feb 24, 2020 12:29 am
fascists like


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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by SethRich » Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:17 pm

Greetings,

Ooops... apologies for the broken link. For whatever reason (whether self-deleted or Twitter-deleted) this man's fascist post has been removed.

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