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Another war in the Middle East?

Post by Bundokji » Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:55 pm

Earlier today, two oil tankers have been attacked in the gulf of Oman. This is followed by an attack on 4 oil tankers in UAE few weeks ago. By the time of this post, Mike Pompeo blamed Iran for a "blatant assault". This is followed by intensifying Houthies (An Iranian proxy in Yemen) attacks on Saudi Arabia (US closest ally in the region after Israel).

Is this the beginning of a new war in the Middle East? If this is the case, it is going to be messy. Iran has proxies in Yemen, Iraq, Syria and Lebanon. No one will be spared, including Israel.

I hope sanity will prevail, but there are theories that a war would help Trump secure the upcoming elections. So far, he has been waging trade wars and heavily using sanctions. Would he remain against military interventions? And even if he is against military actions, will the deep state in the US push for one?
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Re: Another war in the Middle East?

Post by Bundokji » Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:51 pm

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Re: Another war in the Middle East?

Post by DNS » Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:52 pm

I sure hope there is not another war. Supposedly Iran attacked the ships, but we might never know who really did it. It could be a false-flag as an excuse to start another war. The U.S. is about 21 tillion in debt. Since compassion doesn't seem to stop the U.S., perhaps at least economics could be used to stop them, but that hasn't worked in the past either. You're right, it usually all comes down to politics and elections, unfortunately.

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Re: Another war in the Middle East?

Post by Kim O'Hara » Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:20 am

I really cannot begin to fathom how stupid you would have to be to believe that Iran would attack a Japanese oil tanker at the very moment that the Japanese Prime Minister was sitting down to friendly, US-disapproved talks in Tehran on economic cooperation that can help Iran survive the effects of US economic sanctions.

The Japanese-owned Kokuka Courageous was holed above the water line. That rules out a torpedo attack, which is the explanation being touted by the neo-cons.

The second vessel, the Front Altair, is Norwegian owned and 50% Russian crewed (the others being Filipinos). It is owned by Frontline, a massive tanker leasing company that also has a specific record of being helpful to Iran in continuing to ship oil despite sanctions.

It was Iran that rescued the crews and helped bring the damaged vessels under control.

That Iran would target a Japanese ship and a friendly Russian crewed ship is a ludicrous allegation. They are however very much the targets that the USA allies in the region – the Saudis, their Gulf Cooperation Council colleagues, and Israel – would target for a false flag. It is worth noting that John Bolton was meeting with United Arab Emirates ministers two weeks ago – both ships had just left the UAE.

The USA and their UK stooges have both immediately leapt in to blame Iran. The media is amplifying this with almost none of the scepticism which is required.
:reading: https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives ... edibility/

This makes sense to me.

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Re: Another war in the Middle East?

Post by Bundokji » Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:55 pm

Pompeo again blames Iran for tanker attacks but insists 'we don't want war'

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... t-want-war

While it is uncertain whether it is a false flag or not, the US is making sure to emphasize that it does not want war with Iran. In case of future attacks in the strait of Hormuz, this would make the US appear as if they exercised maximum self-restraint before taking action against Iran.

The goal might not be military confrontation, but possibly declaring the strait of Hormuz as international waters, and making money out of protecting it from oil-rich (and stupid) Arab gulf states. During the war between Iraq and Iran (1980-1988) western powers protected oil carriers from attacks by hiring their flags to be used on oil shipments. At that time, the US used "containment" policy to prolong the war. Publicly, the US supported Saddam Hussein against Iran (which they toppled later on), and at the same time, with the help of Israel, supported Iran by secretly selling them weapons despite an arms embargo which became to be known as "Iran-Contra scandal".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%8 ... tra_affair

Does anyone see the irony in all of this?
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Re: Another war in the Middle East?

Post by Bundokji » Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:47 am

US confirms Iranian missile has shot down drone
A US military drone has been shot down by an Iranian surface-to-air missile while in international airspace over the Strait of Hormuz, US officials say.

Iran's Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC) said it shot down the drone over Iranian airspace, near Kuhmobarak in the southern province of Hormozgan.
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Re: Another war in the Middle East?

Post by lyndon taylor » Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:49 pm

There is no international airspace in the strait, in that area it is divided down the middle between Iran and UAE, the drone was in the Iranian airspace, hence a legitimate target.
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Re: Another war in the Middle East?

Post by alan » Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:30 am

There is airspace, of course. If the drone was not over Iran, it was within the rules. And the only reason to violate the rules would be to provoke a war--which, even by the mindless standards of Trump, would be foolish.

It's the fringe elements of Iran testing the limits of what they can do, and seeing how he (That idiot Trump) will react.

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Re: Another war in the Middle East?

Post by alan » Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:32 am

DNS, not sure what you mean about the "21 Trillion dollars in debt".

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Re: Another war in the Middle East?

Post by DNS » Fri Jun 21, 2019 4:26 am

alan wrote:
Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:32 am
DNS, not sure what you mean about the "21 Trillion dollars in debt".
Actually, it's 22 trillion now.

https://www.usdebtclock.org/

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Re: Another war in the Middle East?

Post by Bundokji » Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:42 pm

alan wrote:
Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:30 am
There is airspace, of course. If the drone was not over Iran, it was within the rules. And the only reason to violate the rules would be to provoke a war--which, even by the mindless standards of Trump, would be foolish.

It's the fringe elements of Iran testing the limits of what they can do, and seeing how he (That idiot Trump) will react.
According to the video released by the Iranian revolutionary guards yesterday, the drone seem to be close to Iranian lands from where the surface to air missile (SAM) made a hit. The US said that the drone was 35 KM away from the closest point in Iran.

One cannot be sure though if the video is genuine

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Re: Another war in the Middle East?

Post by Bundokji » Fri Jun 21, 2019 3:12 pm

DNS wrote:
Fri Jun 21, 2019 4:26 am
alan wrote:
Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:32 am
DNS, not sure what you mean about the "21 Trillion dollars in debt".
Actually, it's 22 trillion now.

https://www.usdebtclock.org/
The 22 trillion no longer looks a huge amount of money when one knows that the cost of the drone shot down by Iran is 176m USD

https://time.com/5611222/rq-4-global-ha ... shot-down/
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Re: Another war in the Middle East?

Post by lyndon taylor » Fri Jun 21, 2019 5:54 pm

alan wrote:
Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:30 am
There is airspace, of course. If the drone was not over Iran, it was within the rules. And the only reason to violate the rules would be to provoke a war--which, even by the mindless standards of Trump, would be foolish.

It's the fringe elements of Iran testing the limits of what they can do, and seeing how he (That idiot Trump) will react.
Sorry, you're wrong, a countries airspace extends for 12 miles into the sea from the land, Iran said the drone was 8 miles from the coast, US said it was in international airspace which is a lie, there is no international airspace in the strait, its either Iran or in this area Oman.
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Re: Another war in the Middle East?

Post by Bundokji » Sat Jun 29, 2019 5:21 pm

US deploys F-22 stealth fighters to Qatar amid Iran tensions

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/06/ ... 30291.html
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Re: Another war in the Middle East?

Post by Bundokji » Fri Jul 05, 2019 2:05 pm

Iranian official threatens to seize British oil tanker

An Iranian official has said a British oil tanker should be seized, if a detained Iranian ship is not released.

British Royal Marines helped officials in Gibraltar to seize the super-tanker Grace 1 on Thursday, after it was suspected of carrying oil from Iran to Syria, in breach of EU sanctions.

Iran later summoned the British ambassador in Tehran to complain about what it said was a "form of piracy".

Mohsen Rezaei said Iran would respond to bullies "without hesitation".

Mr Rezaei - a member of a council that advises the Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Khamenei - said, in a tweet: "If Britain does not release the Iranian oil tanker, it is the authorities' duty to seize a British oil tanker."

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-48882455
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Re: Another war in the Middle East?

Post by Bundokji » Fri Jan 03, 2020 2:21 pm

Qasem Soleimani: US kills top Iranian general in Baghdad air strike

Iran's most powerful military commander, General Qasem Soleimani, has been killed by a US air strike in Iraq.

The 62-year-old spearheaded Iranian military operations in the Middle East as head of Iran's elite Quds Force.

He was killed at Baghdad airport, along with other Iran-backed militia figures, early on Friday in a strike ordered by US President Donald Trump.

Soleimani's killing marks a major escalation in tensions between Washington and Tehran.

Under his leadership, Iran had bolstered Hezbollah in Lebanon and other pro-Iranian militant groups, expanded its military presence in Iraq and Syria and orchestrated Syria's offensive against rebel groups in the country's long civil war.

Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said "severe revenge awaits the criminals" behind the attack. He also announced three days of national mourning.

Soleimani was widely seen as the second most powerful figure in Iran, behind the Ayatollah Khamenei. His Quds Force, an elite unit of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards, reported directly to the ayatollah and he was hailed as a heroic national figure.

But the US has called the commander and the Quds Force terrorists and holds them responsible for the deaths of hundreds of US personnel.

President Trump, who was in Florida at the time of the strike, tweeted an image of the American flag shortly after the news broke.

A statement from the Pentagon - the headquarters of the US Department of Defense - said Soleimani had been "developing plans to attack American diplomats and service members in Iraq and throughout the region".

"This strike was aimed at deterring future Iranian attack plans," it added.

Meanwhile, global oil prices have soared by more than 4% in the wake of the attack.

What happened?

Soleimani and officials from Iran-backed militias were leaving Baghdad airport in two cars when they were hit by a US drone strike near a cargo area.

The commander had reportedly flown in from Lebanon or Syria. Several missiles struck the convoy and at least seven people are believed to have
died.

Iran's Revolutionary Guards said Iraqi militia leader Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis was among those killed.

Muhandis commanded the Iranian-backed Kataib Hezbollah group, which Washington blamed for a rocket attack which killed a US civilian contractor in northern Iraq last Friday.

He also effectively led the Popular Mobilisation units (PM), an umbrella of militias in Iraq dominated by groups aligned with Iran. Most of those killed in the strike belonged to the PM, the organisation said. Soleimani's son-in-law and a member of the Lebanese Hezbollah were also among the dead, it added.
Source: BBC

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Re: Another war in the Middle East?

Post by fwiw » Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:11 pm

USA, number one terrorist state and fiercest enemy of democracy in the world. Of course it pretends the exact opposite is true, and that bs works on a majority of its own citizens.

Trump should be impeached over declarating wars without congressional approval. Which clearly makes him a war criminal.
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Re: Another war in the Middle East?

Post by Bundokji » Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:51 pm

fwiw wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:11 pm
USA, number one terrorist state and fiercest enemy of democracy in the world. Of course it pretends the exact opposite is true, and that bs works on a majority of its own citizens.

Trump should be impeached over declarating wars without congressional approval. Which clearly makes him a war criminal.
Let us hope the upcoming confrontation would remain within Iraqi borders which is damaged already since its invasion in 2003. Destroying another nation with deep historical roots and culture wont bring any good neither to the US nor to the world.

Few months ago, i watched a rare interview of General Qasem Soleimani after reading about his military achievements. I was surprised to find him humble and shy and somehow a mystic. He used to lead operations from the field directly despite his high rank in the Iranian revolutionary guards.

While i see no virtue in violence and war, i tend to have sympathy towards people with convictions that go beyond materialism and corporate power. He was deluded, but true to his beliefs nonetheless. At least, he fought for a cause that is beyond his narrow personal self interest.

When i checked Trump's twitter earlier, hundreds of thousands like his tweets especially the American flag he posted after the assassination. We live in a world where people crave for war as long as its far away from their neighborhood.
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Re: Another war in the Middle East?

Post by DNS » Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:22 pm

Hopefully, the Iraqi government will kick the U.S. out of there. That seems to be the only way the U.S. will leave. No U.S. president has kept the promise to remove troops, not Bush, not Obama, not Trump.

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Re: Another war in the Middle East?

Post by Kim O'Hara » Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:31 am

fwiw wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:11 pm
USA, number one terrorist state and fiercest enemy of democracy in the world. Of course it pretends the exact opposite is true, and that bs works on a majority of its own citizens.

Trump should be impeached over declarating wars without congressional approval. Which clearly makes him a war criminal.
al jazeera wrote:... "It's debatable whether there was legal justification for this strike," Democratic Senator Chris Murphy said in a news conference on Friday.

"This is the equivalent of the Iranians assassinating the US secretary of defence. If the Iranians were to assassinate the US secretary of defence we would consider that an act of war and we would respond disproportionately," Murphy said.

The answer largely depends on the facts the Trump administration based its decision - facts that may never be made public. ...
:reading: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/01/ ... 19366.html

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