An Open Letter to the Buddhist Churches of America

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An Open Letter to the Buddhist Churches of America

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Partly due to the political partisanship I've witnessed in the Buddhist Churches of America over the past four years, I no longer consider myself a Jodo Shinshu Buddhist.

Instead, I am a follower of Meher Baba, the East Indian spiritual teacher who claimed to be the promised Maitreya. This conversion to being a Baba lover has taken a few years, but the political partisanship I've seen recently was too much to bear.

The life and message of Meher Baba transcends all political partisanship. Meher Baba took a vow of poverty, traveling throughout India to feed, bathe, and clothe lepers, the mentally ill, and the outcasts of Indian society. He maintained a vow of silence the last 45 years of his life.

When Mahatma Gandhi came to Meher Baba for spiritual advice, Baba instructed that he must leave politics behind to be one of his followers. Gandhi agreed to Baba that he would do so, but only after Pakistan had settled as a country independent of India. Shortly afterward, Gandhi was assassinated.

In the words of Meher Baba, "I have no connection with politics. All religions are equal to me, and all castes and creeds are dear to me. But, although I appreciate all "isms," religious and political parties for the many good things that they seek to achieve, I do not and cannot belong to any of these "isms," religious or political parties. For the Absolute Truth, while equally including them, transcends all of them, and leaves no room for separate divisions which are all equally false. The unity of all life is integral and indivisible. It remains unassailable and inviolable in spite of all conceivable ideological differences."
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You seem to be confusing a spiritual practice with political ideology. Why concern yourself with the politics of other Jodo Shinshu practitioners? How is that central to the practice?

Meher Baba may have been a wonderful human being but did he lay down a clear path and practice to end all ignorance and suffering? And isn't that what adhering to a religion all about?
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Dan74 wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 6:40 am You seem to be confusing a spiritual practice with political ideology. Why concern yourself with the politics of other Jodo Shinshu practitioners? How is that central to the practice?

Meher Baba may have been a wonderful human being but did he lay down a clear path and practice to end all ignorance and suffering? And isn't that what adhering to a religion all about?
The path of Meher Baba is bhakti yoga with Baba as a mirror into our True Self.
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Presto Kensho wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 6:59 am
Dan74 wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 6:40 am You seem to be confusing a spiritual practice with political ideology. Why concern yourself with the politics of other Jodo Shinshu practitioners? How is that central to the practice?

Meher Baba may have been a wonderful human being but did he lay down a clear path and practice to end all ignorance and suffering? And isn't that what adhering to a religion all about?
The path of Meher Baba is bhakti yoga with Baba as a mirror into our True Self.
That's cool and I wish you all the best with it.
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The reason why I study Sufism is because the prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, said that the Koran has both a literal meaning and a spiritual or esoteric meaning. The Sufi path is the path of inner forgiveness and inner peace, from studying the mystical side of the Koran.
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Wheel of Dharma has declared the BCA's "unequivocal support" for the Black Lives Matter movement. The word "unequivocal" means "without question, leaving no doubt."
https://www.buddhistchurchesofamerica.o ... of-dharma/

Does this mean the BCA is choosing to take a blind eye to the ongoing violence witnessed in the streets at the hands of BLM protestors, as well as the extreme left-wing positions expressed on its official website, that go beyond the legitimate desire for long-overdue police reform?

In the words of BLM co-founder Patrisse Cullors, the original founders of BLM are "trained Marxists". Is this something that the BCA also "unequivocally" supports, considering the millions of Buddhists who've died under Marxist regimes?

Is the Nishi Hongan-ji in Japan aware of this "unequivocal support"?
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Presto Kensho wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 6:19 am Wheel of Dharma has declared the BCA's "unequivocal support" for the Black Lives Matter movement. The word "unequivocal" means "without question, leaving no doubt."
https://www.buddhistchurchesofamerica.o ... of-dharma/

Does this mean the BCA is choosing to take a blind eye to the ongoing violence witnessed in the streets at the hands of BLM protestors, as well as the extreme left-wing positions expressed on its official website, that go beyond the legitimate desire for long-overdue police reform?

In the words of BLM co-founder Patrisse Cullors, the original founders of BLM are "trained Marxists". Is this something that the BCA also "unequivocally" supports, considering the millions of Buddhists who've died under Marxist regimes?

Is the Nishi Hongan-ji in Japan aware of this "unequivocal support"?
Marxism is a cancer.
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So is fascism, I hear a lot of that from trumpsters!!
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Ceisiwr wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 1:21 pm
Presto Kensho wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 6:19 am Wheel of Dharma has declared the BCA's "unequivocal support" for the Black Lives Matter movement. The word "unequivocal" means "without question, leaving no doubt."
https://www.buddhistchurchesofamerica.o ... of-dharma/

Does this mean the BCA is choosing to take a blind eye to the ongoing violence witnessed in the streets at the hands of BLM protestors, as well as the extreme left-wing positions expressed on its official website, that go beyond the legitimate desire for long-overdue police reform?

In the words of BLM co-founder Patrisse Cullors, the original founders of BLM are "trained Marxists". Is this something that the BCA also "unequivocally" supports, considering the millions of Buddhists who've died under Marxist regimes?

Is the Nishi Hongan-ji in Japan aware of this "unequivocal support"?
Marxism is a cancer.
Indeed! :thumb:
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lyndon taylor wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:22 pm So is fascism, I hear a lot of that from trumpsters!!
Republicans are the very opposite of fascists.
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You obviously have no idea what a fascist is, then!!
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lyndon taylor wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 6:14 pm You obviously have no idea what a fascist is, then!!
All you ever say is that Trump supporters are fascists, without offering any sort of proof. When it comes to matters of actual policy, Trump is, at worst, a 1990s Democrat. He's not that far-right on actual policy substance. The problem is that the Democrats have shifted further and further to the left.
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That statement is complete insanity, Democrats have shifted to the right, where what used to be Republican is now Democrat, and what is now Republican borders on fascist.
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lyndon taylor wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 8:04 am That statement is complete insanity, Democrats have shifted to the right, where what used to be Republican is now Democrat, and what is now Republican borders on fascist.
Kamala Harris, AOC, and so forth have shifted to the right? It seems to me you have no clue what fascism is and are simply trivializing the term, stripping it from its historical connotations, its correct usage and actual meaning. If you had lived, like some of us have, under a socialist or a communist regime, you would know what fascism is (in the sense that you use the term).
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For those that are unaware, Socialism and communism is a left wing ideology, fascism is a far right wing ideology, much like some of American politics is today
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This is definitely a left-wing binary presentation trying to avoid the qualification of "fascism" applied to all socialist/communist attempts at ruining the lives of individuals. It does not take into account how economics interfere with politics and how the left ideologies have proven to be totalitarian (and therefore fascist). Leaving aside politics, "fascism is socialism with a capitalist veneer” (quote not mine), the difference is most evidently in the number of people who have been murdered in the name of socialism, "for their own good" (quote not mine).
According to your flawed definition, where would you put present-day China?
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you have no idea what socialism is, and you don't seem to understand what fascisn is either
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mutsuk wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 3:11 pm
lyndon taylor wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 8:04 am That statement is complete insanity, Democrats have shifted to the right, where what used to be Republican is now Democrat, and what is now Republican borders on fascist.
Kamala Harris, AOC, and so forth have shifted to the right? It seems to me you have no clue what fascism is and are simply trivializing the term, stripping it from its historical connotations, its correct usage and actual meaning. If you had lived, like some of us have, under a socialist or a communist regime, you would know what fascism is (in the sense that you use the term).
Have you lived under Socialism or Communism, mutsuk? I thought you were French?
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Dan74 wrote: Thu Aug 20, 2020 7:06 pm
mutsuk wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 3:11 pm
lyndon taylor wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 8:04 am That statement is complete insanity, Democrats have shifted to the right, where what used to be Republican is now Democrat, and what is now Republican borders on fascist.
Kamala Harris, AOC, and so forth have shifted to the right? It seems to me you have no clue what fascism is and are simply trivializing the term, stripping it from its historical connotations, its correct usage and actual meaning. If you had lived, like some of us have, under a socialist or a communist regime, you would know what fascism is (in the sense that you use the term).
Have you lived under Socialism or Communism, mutsuk? I thought you were French?
Polish and French.
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lyndon taylor wrote: Thu Aug 20, 2020 6:28 pm you have no idea what socialism is, and you don't seem to understand what fascisn is either
I have never lived under a fascist regime (in the sense you use the term fascism) but you clearly have no idea yourself what socialism is because you've most evidently never lived under such a regime, let alone a communist one. You may learn something by reading this paper:
https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-differe ... socialism
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