Trump Anxiety Disorder.

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DeadCircuits wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:38 pm I decided to focus on things I can change. My life is tangibly better for having done so, and I wouldn't be so arrogant as to presume I have made anyone else's life better, but I try to do that too.
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Kim O'Hara wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:20 pm
DeadCircuits wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:38 pm I decided to focus on things I can change. My life is tangibly better for having done so, and I wouldn't be so arrogant as to presume I have made anyone else's life better, but I try to do that too.
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+1

Reminds me of the first part of the Serenity Prayer:

God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.
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Wisecrack has an interesting take on the Trump phenomenon that may help dedramatize the situation. It is a similar though different take on the subject as Adam Curtis' in his documentary hypernormalization (which I have quoted here) where he referenced modern theater specialists in Putin's entourage:




Basically one of the reasons why Kanye may be a fan of Trump is that Trump uses the same techniques of manipulation Kanye does but at a much greater scope. In other words they are buddy conmen
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I feel that Trump brings out the worst in Americans. It is a vicious cycle, because he is also a reflection of Americans. I hesitate to call him evil, because that requires the intention to cause suffering. I don't think he is analytical enough to have that intention. But he stirs up followers who are truly evil.

I doubt if I will ever set foot in the U.S.A. again. It certainly is not safe for me to do so now, and I can't see the situation improving in my lifetime.

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KathyLauren wrote: Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:07 am I feel that Trump brings out the worst in Americans. It is a vicious cycle, because he is also a reflection of Americans. I hesitate to call him evil, because that requires the intention to cause suffering. I don't think he is analytical enough to have that intention. But he stirs up followers who are truly evil.

I doubt if I will ever set foot in the U.S.A. again. It certainly is not safe for me to do so now, and I can't see the situation improving in my lifetime.

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Did you see Malcolm's link on DWM? https://thewalrus.ca/americas-next-civil-war/
Totally plausible. I may be joining you up north, before I get legislated out of existence, or worse. Fortunately, I had my passport updated with new name/gender info. Might not do me much good soon, though.
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I think that journalists have taken it personally. They’re personally wounded and offended by this man. He baits them, and they dive in. And what he’s done well, I thought, is he’s appealed to their own narcissism, to their own ego. Because what he says is, ‘These are the’ — and the journalists stand up and say, ‘We are noble. We are honorable. How dare you, sir?’ And they take it personally. And now he’s changed the conversation to not that his policies are silly or not working or any of those other things; it’s all about the fight. He’s able to tune out everything else and get people just focused on that fight. And he’s going to win that fight.

Jon Stewart, Anon, (2018). [online] Available at: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... ccb9f3d2b3 [Accessed 31 Oct. 2018].
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Karma Dondrup Tashi wrote: Wed Oct 31, 2018 4:08 pm I think that journalists have taken it personally. They’re personally wounded and offended by this man. He baits them, and they dive in. And what he’s done well, I thought, is he’s appealed to their own narcissism, to their own ego. Because what he says is, ‘These are the’ — and the journalists stand up and say, ‘We are noble. We are honorable. How dare you, sir?’ And they take it personally. And now he’s changed the conversation to not that his policies are silly or not working or any of those other things; it’s all about the fight. He’s able to tune out everything else and get people just focused on that fight. And he’s going to win that fight.

Jon Stewart, Anon, (2018). [online] Available at: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... ccb9f3d2b3 [Accessed 31 Oct. 2018].
Yes that echoes perfectly the analogy to wrestling (of which Trump seems to be a fan) in the Wisecrack video above
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justsit wrote: Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:19 pm
KathyLauren wrote: Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:07 am I feel that Trump brings out the worst in Americans. It is a vicious cycle, because he is also a reflection of Americans. I hesitate to call him evil, because that requires the intention to cause suffering. I don't think he is analytical enough to have that intention. But he stirs up followers who are truly evil.

I doubt if I will ever set foot in the U.S.A. again. It certainly is not safe for me to do so now, and I can't see the situation improving in my lifetime.

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Did you see Malcolm's link on DWM? https://thewalrus.ca/americas-next-civil-war/
Totally plausible. I may be joining you up north, before I get legislated out of existence, or worse. Fortunately, I had my passport updated with new name/gender info. Might not do me much good soon, though.
If you fancied a warmer climate but a similar culture (maybe a bit more progressive, in fact, with their new PM), you could consider New Zealand.
Watch Lord of the Rings to see the scenery, and Hunt for the Wilderpeople https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4698684/ for some anarchic Kiwi humour ... actually, I recommend that movie to everyone. :smile:

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justsit wrote: Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:19 pm
KathyLauren wrote: Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:07 am I feel that Trump brings out the worst in Americans. It is a vicious cycle, because he is also a reflection of Americans. I hesitate to call him evil, because that requires the intention to cause suffering. I don't think he is analytical enough to have that intention. But he stirs up followers who are truly evil.

I doubt if I will ever set foot in the U.S.A. again. It certainly is not safe for me to do so now, and I can't see the situation improving in my lifetime.

Om mani padme hum
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Did you see Malcolm's link on DWM? https://thewalrus.ca/americas-next-civil-war/
Totally plausible. I may be joining you up north, before I get legislated out of existence, or worse. Fortunately, I had my passport updated with new name/gender info. Might not do me much good soon, though.
Yes, my wife pointed out that story to me a couple of days ago. :(

You would be welcome up here. For now. Hopefully, we can stop the cancer before it spreads. Otherwise, we too are doomed.

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No need to move, if you don't want to. In 6 days there are Congressional mid-term elections here in the U.S. If there's any kind of "Blue Wave" as some are expecting, then that will put a significant 'check' on Trump's powers. If not, there is another presidential election just 2 years from now.

Worst case scenario, one could just stay away from the bible-belt type areas. In general, the West coast, Nevada, and the Northeast are all very diverse and welcoming to all races and LGBT.
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DNS wrote: Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:46 pm Worst case scenario, one could just stay away from the bible-belt type areas. In general, the West coast, Nevada, and the Northeast are all very diverse and welcoming to all races and LGBT.
The problems created by the current administration are not confined to bible-belt areas. It is now a matter of federal policy that I do not exist. Were I to enter the U.S., even to those more friendly states you named, I would be declared by federal law to be someone I am not. I would have to try to stay "below the radar" of authorities or risk being treated in ways that would be downright dangerous.

The areas you named may be less unwelcoming than bible-belt areas, but the entire country is now officially unwelcoming.

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I found this:
Gender identity discrimination in healthcare insurance banned since 2012.[163][164]
Allowed to change gender under various conditions in 47 states + D.C. However, in October 2018 a policy was proposed by Donald Trump administration that would prevent transgender people from changing their gender on legal documents.[165]
Included in the federal hate crime law since 2009.
Gender identity discrimination banned in public and private employment in 23 states + D.C.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_righ ... _territory

It appears to be a proposal from Trump; I think it hasn't gone through yet?
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KathyLauren wrote: Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:30 pm .....
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I would have to try to stay "below the radar" of authorities or risk being treated in ways that would be downright dangerous.
Can you expand on this? I (and probably alot of other people too) have no idea what dangers you would face.
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chownah wrote: Thu Nov 01, 2018 2:19 am
KathyLauren wrote: Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:30 pm .....
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I would have to try to stay "below the radar" of authorities or risk being treated in ways that would be downright dangerous.
Can you expand on this? I (and probably alot of other people too) have no idea what dangers you would face.
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Well, it is a moot point because (a) I will not set foot in the USA and (b) if I absolutely had to go there, I would certainly try to stay as far under the radar as I could.

The risks are death, assault, sexual assault, loss of jobs, random harassment. Just for existing.

My friends who have the misfortune to live there also have to live without the medical care that they need, since insurers are no longer under any obligation to provide it to them.

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DNS wrote: Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:51 pm It appears to be a proposal from Trump; I think it hasn't gone through yet?
Do you actually believe that Trump would back down on this? When has he ever backed down on anything? What he wants, he gets. And this is a cornerstone of his policy. Or, to be accurate, a cornerstone of the policies of his puppet-masters. Those people want us dead. Literally.

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DNS wrote: Tue Oct 23, 2018 2:05 amThe Trump supporters refer to this as Trump Derangement Syndrome.
Yes, this is part and parcel of the highly negative personalization of politics under Trump. Contrary to this approach, Dhamma teaches that we are responsible for our actions, verbal or otherwise. When Trump and his supporters attack women, immigrants, black athletes, Democrats, etc., it is for the purpose of creating the very anxieties and fear which Trump's supporters then label "Trump Derangement Syndrome." We can recognize this as a further disparaging label, a further attempt to discredit, by ad hominem attacks, the opponents of Trump.

We can be strong enough to recognize the underlying fear that drives the reprehensible rhetoric of Trump and his supporters. We can find the strength to understand their views in compassion, and to address what needs addressing, including an acknowledgment of their fears and an embrace of our mutual human suffering. We can have deep compassion in light of the manifest misery of Trump and his supporters.
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Research has shown that the more important an issue is perceived to be, the greater the risk that even grievous errors can go unnoticed or unaddressed. The election of Donald Trump is not just an ‘important issue’ – for many of us, and for many reasons, it is an outright crisis. However, this makes it all the more important to be clear-eyed and level-headed about how we got here.

Robert Wright (author of Why Buddhism Is True), interviewed sociologist Musa al-Gharbi Sociologist (Columbia University, musaalgharbi.com) https://bloggingheads.tv/videos/52739
Musa al-Gharbi Sociologist is the author of a recent paper, “Race and the Race for the White House: On Social Research in the Age of Trump” (The American Sociologist, Dec 2018)
Some degree of bias is inevitable in social research. We are all shaped by our limited experience, our personal commitments and aspirations, etc. – and these inform social inquiry in obvious and subtle ways (Polanyi 1974). However, in a context where people with diverse and competing commitments, backgrounds and experiences are simultaneously exploring a particular issue, these errors should approach random distribution – they would largely cancel each-other out. Zones of agreement^ should emerge in the process, forming a basis reliable knowledge (Shi et al. 2017). However,in a world where everyone shares the same basic commitments, errors are not randomly distributed. They are far less likely to be recognized as errors and addressed at all –indeed, they are likely to cascade as an integral part of the consensus position, even giving rise to entire "null fields" of research (Ioannidis 2005).

Among social researchers, one commitment which virtually everyone seems to share is a passionate distaste for Donald Trump, his agenda, and what he seems to represent. As it became clear that Trump was a real contender for the Republican nomination, even as analysts consistently underestimated his prospects – both in the primary and the general election – researchers became transfixed by questions of just who was supporting him and why (Samuelsohn 2016). These questions are perfectly reasonable and legitimate. There problem is that, as a result of their disgust with Donald Trump, many social researchers also seem to have developed strong assumptions about the type of person who would support him, and what they would be motivated by. These presuppositions have consistently undermined research about the President and his base. The most typical problems include:
  • Failure to deal with obvious confounds
  • Prejudicial study design
  • Strange interpretations of data (apparently to make them fit with researchers’preferred theses)
  • Uncharitable interpretations of the words and actions of Trump and (especially) his supporters– or even outright misrepresentation through selection and editing(Alexander 2016).
Here, we will present a series of case studies exploring three prominent examples of this phenomenon – particularly as it relates to the role of race (and racism) in the 2016 U.S. presidential election. On this point, an overwhelming consensus seems to have emerged that Trump voters were motivated largely (or even primarily) by anti-minority or white-supremacist sentiments. It will be demonstrated that the evidence scholars marshal in the service of these propositions tends to be weak, and the abundant countervailing evidence to the consensus position has been chronically under-addressed, while alternative explanations for Trump’s victory have been insufficiently explored – despite apparently resting on surer empirical footing. The works discussed in the following pages will be by scholars I respect and even admire. Indeed, many are central to their respective fields. This is part of the point: the problem is not a matter of a couple bad apples or fringe scholars – it cuts to the heart of who we are and what we do as social researchers. The fact that the sort of errors described in the following pages could be made by people who obviously know better – with the resultant works endorsed by so many others who also know better – strongly suggests motivated reasoning and confirmation bias are undermining the quality of our scholarship and the rigor of our critiques (Koehler 1993;Mahoney1977).

Research has shown that the more important an issue is perceived to be, the greater the risk that even grievous errors can go unnoticed or unaddressed (Wilson et al. 1993).However, the election of Donald Trump is not just an ‘important issue’–for many of us, and for many reasons, it is an outright crisis. However, this makes it all the more important to be clear-eyed and level-headed about how we got here.
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I'm going to use the election results--if they are favorable--as an excuse to start feeling happy again.

Looking back on it, I realize I spent too much time obsessing about how anyone could actually like that God Dam Crazy Man, and trying--and failing--to reason with those who do.
When that piece of Sh*t won, it sent me into a depression. How is it that people are so ignorant, fearful, and hateful?

Well I guess I should have seen that as a perfect example of the first truth. Instead, I got all wound up in my conception of what people should be, and became angry that they are just what the Buddha tells us most average people are. That was a mistake. And I suffered because of it.

If sanity is restored to America because the Dems get back in power, I vow to live a happier life, and throw off my negative feelings.
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Some situations are beyond our control but we can choose our responses to them. If we are wise, we can avoid a lot of the potential suffering.

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