Ideas for reducing homelessness

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Re: Ideas for reducing homelessness

Post by SethRich » Mon Dec 30, 2019 3:06 am

Greetings Lyndon,
lyndon taylor wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 2:49 am
more dribble!!
I think the word you're looking for is "drivel".

:roll:

Perhaps if you concentrated on making a coherent argument, rather than resorting to inane retorts and humiliating yourself, then your lack of mental acuity would be easier for you to conceal?

So, as above - please try harder, lift your game, and endeavor to the best of your ability to find something logical and intelligent to say. Ideas for reducing homelessness please...

:focus:

Kind regards.

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Re: Ideas for reducing homelessness

Post by DNS » Mon Dec 30, 2019 5:10 am

Some interesting statistics here:
https://endhomelessness.org/homelessnes ... ss-report/

Note that California and New York have some of the highest homeless populations in the U.S. Even adjusted for population, finding the rate per 10,000 people, they are still at the top. California has nice weather, but New York certainly does not have good weather, with very brutal cold winters.

There has been a decrease since year 2007. Note that the economy is doing good now. This suggests that the economy does indeed have a great impact with greater numbers of people employed.

However, recessions always happen, so what to do when that happens?

In terms of race/ethnicity, homeless are of course from all backgrounds, but notably under-represented are Asian-Americans. It could be their emphasis on education, which trains them for employment? Or it could be their culture of helping their extended families, i.e., taking in a family member who has lost everything, rather than letting them fend for themselves on the street.

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Re: Ideas for reducing homelessness

Post by Kim O'Hara » Mon Dec 30, 2019 7:53 am

DNS wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 5:10 am
...This suggests that the economy does indeed have a great impact with greater numbers of people employed. ...
Less than you might think. "Full employment" is defined (here anyway, and I'm sure the US is similar) as 5% unemployment. The idea is, very simply, that there needs to be a pool of desperate people so that the shortage of labor doesn't drive wages up. Like so many things in our hypercapitalist world, 5% unemployment is therefore a feature, not a bug.

And that figure under-represents the reality because it doesn't count the under-employed or the given-up-looking.

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Re: Ideas for reducing homelessness

Post by SethRich » Mon Dec 30, 2019 8:42 am

Greetings,

Well the Trump economy is now experiencing low unemployment levels not seen since 1969 so if there's an "idea" :spy: to do what Kim suggested above, then Trump (at least) doesn't seem to be playing along with Kim's theory...
U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics wrote:The US unemployment rate decreased to 3.5 percent in November 2019 from 3.6 percent in the previous month while markets had expected it to be unchanged at 3.6 percent. The number matched the September figure which was the lowest since 1969. Over the month, the number of unemployed persons decreased by 44,000. The labor force participation rate edged down to 63.2 percent from 63.3 percent in October. Unemployment Rate in the United States averaged 5.74 percent from 1948 until 2019, reaching an all time high of 10.80 percent in November of 1982 and a record low of 2.50 percent in May of 1953.
In 2019, the US (excluding California) had a drop in the homeless rate. Only when you put California back into the mix, which increased by 16.4% in 2019, does it become a small overall rise.
WASHINGTON - Ahead of the release of the 2019 Annual Homelessness Report to Congress, U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) Secretary Ben Carson certified data related to the study. While the rest of the country experienced a combined decrease in homelessness in 2019, significant increases in unsheltered and chronic homelessness on the West Coast, particularly California and Oregon, offset those nationwide decreases, causing an overall increase in homelessness of 2.7 percent in 2019, according to the latest national estimate by the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development. The study found that 567,715 persons experienced homelessness on a single night in 2019, an increase of 14,885 people since 2018. Meanwhile, homelessness among veterans and families with children continued to fall, declining 2.1 percent and 4.8 percent, respectively, in 2019.

There is significant local variation reported from different parts of the country. Twenty-nine states and the District of Columbia reported declines in homelessness between 2018 and 2019, while 21 states reported increases in the number of persons experiencing homelessness. Homelessness in California increased by 21,306 people, or 16.4 percent, which is more than the total national increase of every other state combined. (Source)
Employment and unemployment certainly makes a difference, although there are also other localized factors at play (as discussed in this topic)

Here's some headline statistics from the above HUD source...
On a single night in January 2019, state and local planning agencies reported:

- 567,715 people were homeless, representing an overall 2.7 percent increase from 2018 but a nearly 11 percent decline since 2010.
- 37,085 Veterans were reported as homeless, a decline of 2.1 percent from 2018 and 50 percent since 2010.
- 53,692 families with children experienced homelessness last January, down nearly 5 percent from 2018 and more than 32 percent since 2010.
- Homelessness increased in California by 21,306 people, or 16.4 percent, accounting for more than the entire national increase.
- The estimated number of persons experiencing long-term, chronic homelessness increased 8.5 percent between 2018 and 2019. This increase was concentrated on the West Coast, with the largest increases in California.
- The number of unaccompanied homeless youth and children in 2019 is estimated to be 35,038, a 3.6 percent decline since 2018. HUD and local communities are engaged in a more intense effort to more accurately account for this important, difficult-to-count population.
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Re: Ideas for reducing homelessness

Post by Kim O'Hara » Tue Dec 31, 2019 2:20 am

Imagine a single policy that could boost our lacklustre economy by $4 billion, create an additional 12,000 jobs by 2021, disproportionately support regional and remote communities doing it tough with drought and bushfires, reduce inequality by benefiting the poorest fifth of Australians twenty-eight times more than the richest, disproportionately support women, boost wages and corporate profits, and increase federal and state tax revenue by more than $1.25 billion.

Now suppose this policy has longer-term benefits: that it could automatically boost the economy during times of weakness without the time lags associated with infrastructure and other stimulus spending; that it would automatically withdraw from the economy when times were good without the permanent cost of tax cuts and other stimulus measures; and that it would boost economic growth and reduce volatility.

And suppose the cost of this policy was only 0.6 per cent of the federal budget, meaning it could be funded without losing the politically cherished budget surplus.

Sound good? Then, congratulations, you support increasing Newstart.

Newstart is the main income support payment for people who are unemployed.
:reading: https://insidestory.org.au/the-economic ... -newstart/

I'm not sure how the US numbers compare but common sense suggests the same principle applies: give money to the poor and they will spend it immediately because they need basic goods, give money to the rich and they will squirrel it away in the Caymans.

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Re: Ideas for reducing homelessness

Post by SethRich » Tue Dec 31, 2019 6:57 am

Greetings Kim,
Kim O'Hara wrote:
Tue Dec 31, 2019 2:20 am
give money to the rich and they will squirrel it away in the Caymans.
Ill gotten gains, perhaps. Legally obtained gains get a better return if invested, either back into the business which generated the profits, or other investment opportunities. These investments create jobs, and therefore create job opportunities for the poor.

(Give a man a fish, or teach him to fish?)

:redherring:

If you're concerned about how the rich get rich through illicit means, and how they launder that dirty money, there's a lot to observe and pay attention to in that space at the moment. If not, nevermind.

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Re: Ideas for reducing homelessness

Post by SethRich » Tue Dec 31, 2019 10:34 pm

Greetings,



Programs such as the above help to reduce the cycle of homelessness and poverty leading to jail time, leading to homelessness and poverty, leading to jail time... etc.

... a phenomena poignantly captured by the director of this 5 minute film clip set in California...



If the protagonist had been able to get a real job, like they wanted, then they needn't have wound up back in homelessness and/or jail.

:thumb:

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Re: Ideas for reducing homelessness

Post by DNS » Wed Jan 01, 2020 12:19 am

SethRich wrote:
Tue Dec 31, 2019 10:34 pm
If the protagonist had been able to get a real job, like they wanted, then they needn't have wound up back in homelessness and/or jail.
Yes, definitely criminal justice reform can be considered part of the solutions to reduce homelessness. So many ex-prisoners cannot find lawful work due to the required 'checking the box' on the applications for felony or other criminal record. If they finished their time, then -- they finished the time and should be given a chance.

And the U.S. in general, incarcerates far too many people.

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Re: Ideas for reducing homelessness

Post by SethRich » Wed Jan 01, 2020 10:13 pm

Greetings,

On that, I heard something recently... I didn't believe it but I didn't totally discount it either, although if the dates line up, it might have credence.

:spy:

The suggestion was that starting from the early 90's onwards there was collusion (and potentially a degree of cross-ownership) between private prisons, and the American music industry, to hype and promote "gangsta rap". The theory was that the lyrics would valorize crime, as well as attitudes and lifestyles which lead to crime, and that this would help to fill the private prisons.

The account I read could have just been a bit of "boomer" fiction :lol: but I'm sure these sorts of ideas do float through the minds of marketing and promotions people - whether they have the gall to go through with it and actualize such ideas is another question.

Either way, degenerate lifestyles which lead to ruin are also likely to lead to homelessness too. These are detailed in the Sutta Pitaka, amongst other places.

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Re: Ideas for reducing homelessness

Post by fwiw » Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:59 pm

SethRich wrote:
Wed Jan 01, 2020 10:13 pm
The suggestion was that starting from the early 90's onwards there was collusion (and potentially a degree of cross-ownership) between private prisons, and the American music industry, to hype and promote "gangsta rap". The theory was that the lyrics would valorize crime, as well as attitudes and lifestyles which lead to crime, and that this would help to fill the private prisons.

The account I read could have just been a bit of "boomer" fiction :lol: but I'm sure these sorts of ideas do float through the minds of marketing and promotions people - whether they have the gall to go through with it and actualize such ideas is another question.

Either way, degenerate lifestyles which lead to ruin are also likely to lead to homelessness too. These are detailed in the Sutta Pitaka, amongst other places.

:candle:
Perhaps it would make more sense to talk about the privatization of the prison system which puts a profit motive on locking people up, aggravated by lobbying the government for policies like mandatory minimum sentences, with the consequences that the USA home 5% of the world's population but 25% of the world's carceral population (last time I heard).
... just my opinion, for what it's worth

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Re: Ideas for reducing homelessness

Post by SethRich » Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:41 am

Greetings DNS,
DNS wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 5:10 am
In terms of race/ethnicity, homeless are of course from all backgrounds, but notably under-represented are Asian-Americans. It could be their emphasis on education, which trains them for employment?
Could well be. It appears the unemployment level for Asian Americans is now 2.1% compared to the overall figure of 3.5% quoted above.

The Buddha spoke in praise of hard work, learning and effort... perhaps his teachings had a positive influence on Asian culture in this regard? Similarly, rather than bitch and moan and blame others for their lot in life, Asians influenced by the Dharma would be appear to be more likely to accept the fruition of their past karma and endeavour to create better karma moving forward.

:buddha1:

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Re: Ideas for reducing homelessness

Post by DNS » Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:48 pm

SethRich wrote:
Wed Jan 01, 2020 10:13 pm
The suggestion was that starting from the early 90's onwards there was collusion (and potentially a degree of cross-ownership) between private prisons, and the American music industry, to hype and promote "gangsta rap". The theory was that the lyrics would valorize crime, as well as attitudes and lifestyles which lead to crime, and that this would help to fill the private prisons.
Yeah, private prisons are a bad idea. We should be doing things to decrease the prison populations, not increase them. I worked in the federal prison system many years ago when private prisons were first getting started and was opposed to it from the beginning. Criminal sentences are too long and also we incarcerate for things which shouldn't even have a prison sentence. I was amazed at some of the sentences I saw while working there. For example, one guy got about 8 years (no parole) for possessing a few kilos of marijuana.

And now marijuana is even legal in many places. Just think how many lives have probably been already ruined from the time they had to spend in prisons.

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Re: Ideas for reducing homelessness

Post by Kim O'Hara » Sat Jan 04, 2020 11:07 am

DNS wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:48 pm
Yeah, private prisons are a bad idea.
Agreed. Unfortunately, we're going that way in Australia.

It would be wonderful if we only followed good American ideas.

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