POTUS 2020, part 1

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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by fwiw » Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:33 am

I think there might be a significant overlay of Trump and Bernie voters
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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by DNS » Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:25 pm

fwiw wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:33 am
I think there might be a significant overlay of Trump and Bernie voters
After Bernie lost to Hillary for the Democratic nomination (in 2016), I heard a lot of his supporters went to Trump. Comedian Roseanne Barr was one of the more famous ones, who supported Bernie and then went all out for Trump after HRC won the nomination.

Trump and Bernie don't even like each other, but they share supporters. I think it is due to both being somewhat of extremists (in terms of U.S. politics). It's known as the horseshoe theory where the extremes start to get closer to each other and become somewhat similar.

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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by SethRich » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:34 pm

Greetings,
DNS wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:25 pm
Trump and Bernie don't even like each other, but they share supporters. I think it is due to both being somewhat of extremists (in terms of U.S. politics). It's known as the horseshoe theory where the extremes start to get closer to each other and become somewhat similar.
I think it's more about establishment and anti-establishment, although Bernie has lost a bit of cred in this space after he folded like a deckchair to the DNC, and given how disproportionately wealthy he has become whilst in office... hence some of the defections.

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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by DNS » Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:54 pm

Bloomberg might be entering the race for POTUS.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/07/us/p ... -2020.html

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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by SethRich » Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:11 am

Greetings,

Despite denials in March, there are rumblings that Eric Holder might be about to enter the race too...



Given the current investigations by Barr, Durham, Horowitz etc. I can't help wondering if Holder is considering a run in the interests of self-preservation. In other words, if Holder runs for the Presidency, he and a complicit media can try to claim that "Trump is locking up his political opponents!" if those investigations and criminal probes unearth anything of interest in relation to his conduct.

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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by fwiw » Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:41 am

Even Oprah floated the idea at one point.
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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by fwiw » Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:17 am

DNS wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:25 pm
Trump and Bernie don't even like each other, but they share supporters. I think it is due to both being somewhat of extremists (in terms of U.S. politics). It's known as the horseshoe theory where the extremes start to get closer to each other and become somewhat similar.
When I was in high school, my history teacher used to say both "extremes" grow when the system is failing

Disgruntled people can turn either to the right or to the left for anti-establishment voices. That doesn't make these extremes closer to one another politically speaking.
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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by Kim O'Hara » Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:02 pm

More on the Bloomberg bid ...
...With the rest of the gang mired in the single digits, the super-rich are beginning to panic. First, billionaire Tom Steyer and now, fellow plutocrat Michael Bloomberg decided to abandon the kingmaker facade altogether and get in the race themselves.

Their desperate bids for the presidency make one thing crystal clear: The 2020 Democratic primary is a referendum on billionaire control of the Democratic Party. At least we can all stop shadow-boxing with the word “moderate.”

Bloomberg has no better chance of becoming president than Howard Schultz, the Starbucks CEO who assembled a campaign operation in January and gave a few disastrous interviews before quietly abandoning his quest. His prospects are also no better than those of ultra-millionaire John Delaney (D-$232 million), who has been steadfastly campaigning in futility in Iowa all year. Bloomberg may well accomplish nothing more than siphoning a few points away from Buttigieg and Biden, ultimately bolstering the very candidates he hopes to crush, namely Sanders and Warren.But the fact that so many super-rich folks are even trying to get into the primary has surfaced a long-brewing contradiction at the heart of the modern Democratic Party, one that’s made the party uniquely vulnerable to President Donald Trump’s buffoonish demagoguery. Most Democrats think of themselves as champions of the little guy. We’re the party of working people and people of color. The Republicans, we like to tell ourselves, are the party of the rich ― silver-spoon 47%-bashers like Mitt Romney and racist rentiers like Trump.

That story papers over the fact that both parties have courted and favored America’s super-rich, over and against the interests of the rest of the country.

Sure, there are differences. Republican politicians will defend any lowlife whose bank book is big enough, from payday lenders to Wall Street CEOs. Democrats, by contrast, court nicer, more progressive-seeming elements of the super-rich. Harvey Weinstein, for instance.

During Bill Clinton’s presidency, when incomes were elevated by an epic stock market bubble, this contradiction could be tolerated, even celebrated. But it is not tenable after the joint debacles of the 2008 financial crisis and the foreclosure-infested recovery. ...
:reading: https://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry ... 27b2308d5d

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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by DNS » Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:38 pm

Here's a list of all the things Michael Bloomberg banned as mayor of NYC:
https://gizmodo.com/the-complete-list-o ... 1490476691

One of the things on the list:
Large sodas > 16oz.

All a person has to do is order 2 or 3 medium sized sodas to get around that. :lol:

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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by fwiw » Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:17 pm

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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by fwiw » Sun Nov 10, 2019 11:56 am

What I like about Jimmy Dore is that he constantly provides present-day examples of the kind of news media shenanigans that Noam Chomsky described more broadly in his reference work Manufacturing Consent


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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by DNS » Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:57 pm

I just saw this on the political compass website:

https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2020

Based on my political views, it looks like I should be supporting Williamsom, not Gabbard. :tongue:
(I'm center-right, non-authoritarian)

At least Gabbard is close to that position, though.

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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by SethRich » Sun Nov 10, 2019 8:31 pm

Greetings,

Whilst I like the political compass map itself (left-right, authoritarian-libertarian) the position of candidates on this map is totally skewiff.

Bernie (an avowed socialist) is just a tad left of centre?

If "1/1024th" is right wing, what's their idea of centre? I think someone's playing silly buggers with the Overton window here...

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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by fwiw » Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:32 am

One of the main reasons why the establishment doesn't like Trump is that he motivates young people to come out and vote
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