POTUS 2020, part 1

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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by DNS » Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:55 am

Town Halls on CNN today with Gabbard, Delaney, and Pete Buttigieg. They all did pretty good, in my opinion.

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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

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DNS wrote:
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Town Halls on CNN today with Gabbard, Delaney, and Pete Buttigieg. They all did pretty good, in my opinion.
Who came out the winner, if any?

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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by DNS » Wed Mar 13, 2019 4:58 pm

Dorje Shedrub wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 4:29 am
DNS wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:55 am
Town Halls on CNN today with Gabbard, Delaney, and Pete Buttigieg. They all did pretty good, in my opinion.
Who came out the winner, if any?

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It's hard to say, they all did good. I didn't see any answer where there was any 'gotcha' type moment where the moderators try to catch them contradicting themselves or something like that. I liked Delaney, but don't think he has much chance.

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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

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...authors with blue checks ...

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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by DNS » Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:48 pm

Mayor Pete makes it official; he's running for POTUS.


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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by justsit » Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:45 am

I'm reading Pete Buttigieg's book, Shortest Way Home, and am more and more impressed by his insight and clearheaded, direct, practical approach to the political process. The book details his two terms as mayor of South Bend, IN, including interesting discussion of the problems he's faced and the creative solutions he and his administration have found. I hope he gets the chance to bring those skills and forward thinking to Washington.

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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by DNS » Tue Apr 16, 2019 7:40 pm

Former Governor Bill Weld announces he'll challenge Trump for the Republican nomination for POTUS.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/15/politics ... index.html

It's very rare that someone challenges an incumbent president for the nomination, from the same party. However, Bill Weld is more of a Libertarian than a Republican, having been on the running mate side of the Libertarian ticket in the last election, partnering with Gary Johnson.

It might make it more interesting, but little to no chance of getting the nomination (GOP side).

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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

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Kim O'Hara wrote:
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The choice seems perfectly clear to any rational person.

Sadly, though, we can never underestimate the power of the three poisons.

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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by Bundokji » Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:35 am

Joe Biden launches presidential bid

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47601125
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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by DNS » Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:22 pm

Bundokji wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:35 am
Joe Biden launches presidential bid
I heard from some pundits on the news that the Republicans are secretly worried about Biden in the race. They feel they have a good chance of beating any of the other Dem contenders by painting them as socialists, but with the centrist Biden, they will likely lose.

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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by Bundokji » Thu Apr 25, 2019 7:43 pm

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I heard from some pundits on the news that the Republicans are secretly worried about Biden in the race. They feel they have a good chance of beating any of the other Dem contenders by painting them as socialists, but with the centrist Biden, they will likely lose.
It is very likely that this is what the republication "establishment" are worried about, but i think they got it wrong.

I think the last election showed how the establishment from both parties were out of touch with the changing political reality. Electing Trump both as Rep candidate and as president, as well as the close race between Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton and her confidence (and probably arrogance) about winning against an outsider makes me think that a more radical choice as a Dem candidate has a better chance of winning against a polarizing figure such as Trump.

Extremes seem to breed extremes on the opposite direction and Trump is an extreme (based on his rhetoric more than actions). I believe that many of the Dem base are longing for radical change on their side, and a typical establishment centrist candidate such as old Biden might not be good enough anymore considering the change in American politics.

All in my opinion.
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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by DNS » Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:24 pm

You could be right, but don't forget Hillary barely lost the 2016 election. She won the popular vote and lost the electoral vote when she lost Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin. She wrote those states off, assuming they "were in the bag" and so she didn't campaign there.

Biden has this new knowledge, so I am sure would campaign heavily there. Biden was born in Pennsylvania to a blue collar family and has appeal to labor unions. Biden would most likely carry these "Rust belt" states and then win the election.

Unless of course the political culture has changed . . . . and the preference is now for only anti-establishment candidates. First, he has to get the party's nomination and he's got plenty of competition.

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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by lyndon taylor » Thu Apr 25, 2019 9:27 pm

had to copy this on Biden from another forum.

"100% would be the EASIEST person for Trump to beat.

Why is he even running? What's he offering?

I can tell you who won't vote for him: Frustrated Trump voters. Obama voters who voted for Trump. Sanders voters who voted for Trump. People who voted Green or Libertarian. Independents. People who stayed home in 2016.

So who does that leave? Just a small percentage of hard core Obama and Hillary FANS who will vote for him for pure nostalgia reasons.

Once Biden starts talking the rest of the country will be reminded of why they were willing to vote for an orange game show host in the first place, or not vote at all."
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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by Dorje Shedrub » Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:01 pm

Biden has a tendency to put his foot in his mouth. Hard to believe that many Democratic candidates think that they would make a better president than all the others. Egos, they have big.

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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

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Speaking of Biden putting his foot in his mouth, over at DWM, this was posted:


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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by DNS » Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:54 pm

Dorje Shedrub wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:01 pm
Egos, they have big.
Definitely. There are so many candidates in the race right now, i think it's a record number for one major party. Most of them have not been that specific about their policies yet. So why are they running? Why not let someone else do the job and just support someone good, who has a good chance of winning? The reason is their ego. A president is head of government and head of state and what is largely considered to be the most powerful country on earth. So they get treated like a king (or queen). They can fly anywhere on Air Force One, Marine One, have a huge staff all at taxpayer expense, literally red carpet treatment -- everyday.

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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by justsit » Fri Apr 26, 2019 6:43 pm

DNS wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:54 pm
Dorje Shedrub wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:01 pm
Egos, they have big.
Definitely. There are so many candidates in the race right now, i think it's a record number for one major party. Most of them have not been that specific about their policies yet. So why are they running? Why not let someone else do the job and just support someone good, who has a good chance of winning? The reason is their ego. A president is head of government and head of state and what is largely considered to be the most powerful country on earth. So they get treated like a king (or queen). They can fly anywhere on Air Force One, Marine One, have a huge staff all at taxpayer expense, literally red carpet treatment -- everyday.
It may indeed be about ego, but I seriously doubt anyone runs for president so they can fly in a fancy plane. OK, maybe Trump...although personally I think Trump never thought he would win.

A number of the Democratic candidates obviously have no chance of winning the nomination. What they gain by running now is access to a national and international audience, enhancing their name recognition and thus increasing legitimacy (warranted or not) on their home turf, for politics, or with big investors, for business persons. The younger candidates are playing the long game; they are likely aware their turn isn't now, but they are setting the stage for later. There are alliances to be made, favors to be granted and political debts to incur, all the sordid little back room stuff that goes on at every level of politics. In that respect, nothing has changed for ages.

Regardless of the number who have thrown their hats in the ring, there still will only be one presidential candidate running for each party.

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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by DNS » Fri Apr 26, 2019 7:30 pm

justsit wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 6:43 pm
It may indeed be about ego, but I seriously doubt anyone runs for president so they can fly in a fancy plane. OK, maybe Trump...although personally I think Trump never thought he would win.
No, not the plane by itself; I'm referring to the whole package; the limos, the planes, helicopters, living in the White House, red carpet treatment, the power, the state of the union speeches with numerous standing ovations, meeting foreign leaders in front of a grand entourage, i.e., the huge ego trip.

I'm sure there are some who genuinely want to make the country a better place with their political ideologies, but for the vast majority it's the ego trip. You can see it by the way they don't take a stand on anything, give vague answers, don't even answer journalists' questions, etc. They also check polls and see which positions to take based on what will give them more votes.

For those of us who know Dharma, we know politics and even power is fleeting, useless in the big picture; but for many people it's quite the allure. The attachment wing of the three poisons can include greed, which is not just money, but can be greed for power, greed for prestige.

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