Polar Bear wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 06, 2019 1:48 pm
I know you’re sensitive or concerned about anti-Islam sentiment since that idiot-psycho in New Zealand killed a bunch of Muslim immigrants. In a sense I’d like to kill Islam, but without killing any people. But again, this will take centuries of education and non-Muslims being non-violent and pleasantly civilized towards Muslims. Nothing strengthens Abrahamic religious belief like persecution (think of early Christianity for example, or “prophet” Mohammed’s wars of retaliation against the persecutory Meccans).
I think one of the points is to not think of Islam as one thing. I recall discussing some issues with a group of Muslim women from Malaysia in one of my classes about ten years ago. I'd heard (male) Middle-Eastern Muslims talking about how women could not go out alone, so I was curious what these women thought. They just laughed and said: "We do what we want".
Also, tricky social issues are not confined to Islam. I have a young Indian colleague who is in the process of entering an arranged marriage. She's not particularly enthusiastic about it, but, as she says, it's a case of either going along with her family's wishes, or never seeing them again. I could tell similar stories about Thai relationships...
You're right. I am sensitive about what happened here, and, in a particular the nutters who stated "that's what happens when you allow immigration". In some sense they are right - immigration from Europe wiped out many Native American, Native Australian, and Native New Zealand people.
And, as I said, it's not like UK or Europe here. Here the (mostly British) Europeans are later arrivals, so the idea that everyone should conform to British culture makes little sense (and against our founding documents...). Ethnicity here is European 74%, Maori 15%, Asian 12%, Pacific Island 7%, Middle Eastern/ Latin American/ African 1%. Some of the Asians are Chinese who came here during the gold rushes in the 1800s...