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chess is a sport?

Post by DNS » Thu Sep 26, 2019 12:09 am

Some of you may have read my article on Dhamma Wiki, The Zen of Chess:
https://dhammawiki.com/index.php/The_Zen_of_Chess

In that article I make the [attempted] case that chess is a science, art, sport, and meditation. Now there is more evidence for the sport of chess, see this recent article:

https://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/27 ... ying-chess
As he's jogging, it's easy to mistake him for a soccer player. But he is not. This body he has put together is not an accident. Caruana is, in fact, an American grandmaster in chess, the No. 2 player in the world. His training partner, Chirila? A Romanian grandmaster. And they're doing it all to prepare for the physical demands of ... chess? Yes, chess.
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Post by Cittasanto » Tue Oct 01, 2019 9:13 pm

The first thing I remembered was golf. The ruling bodies make it a rule you have to walk and this is so it makes it a sport (if I understand the argument). It's certainly a mental sport but I think it a game rather than a sport

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Re: chess is a sport?

Post by DNS » Wed Oct 02, 2019 3:58 am

Cittasanto wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2019 9:13 pm
The first thing I remembered was golf. The ruling bodies make it a rule you have to walk and this is so it makes it a sport (if I understand the argument).
I don't know, even if you use a golf cart, it takes some tremendous strength to have a drive of 300 yards +

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Re: chess is a sport?

Post by DNS » Wed Oct 02, 2019 4:00 am

Cittasanto wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2019 9:13 pm
It's certainly a mental sport but I think it a game rather than a sport
Still a skeptic about chess being a sport? :tongue: That's okay, I hear that all the time in spite of articles like the one I posted.

Here's one that is definitely a sport: Round-the-house chess
https://lifeandlearning.me/2013/06/19/r ... use_chess/
The rules are as follows: It looks almost like a normal game of chess, except instead of opponents taking turns in playing, each player has to run around the house once before being allowed the next move. If you overtake your opponent, you get two moves in a row.

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Post by DNS » Wed Oct 02, 2019 4:02 am

And here's another: chess boxing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_boxing

Although, probably not very Dharmic, since it includes the violence of boxing.

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Post by Kim O'Hara » Wed Oct 02, 2019 6:25 am

DNS wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 4:02 am
And here's another: chess boxing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_boxing

Although, probably not very Dharmic, since it includes the violence of boxing.
On the level of intention (which is, we're told, central to karmic effects), chess is fundamentally a battle to the death. Adding a bit of real-world violence therefore doesn't make it much worse, I guess.

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Re: chess is a sport?

Post by DNS » Wed Oct 02, 2019 4:33 pm

Kim O'Hara wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 6:25 am
DNS wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 4:02 am
And here's another: chess boxing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_boxing

Although, probably not very Dharmic, since it includes the violence of boxing.
On the level of intention (which is, we're told, central to karmic effects), chess is fundamentally a battle to the death. Adding a bit of real-world violence therefore doesn't make it much worse, I guess.

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Ha! talk about a slippery slope. :D

In boxing, one tries to harm and even injure your opponent (literally, not figuratively). Often boxers get injured, broken noses, and in rare cases even die in the ring.

Chess is a game, I mean sport ( :tongue: ) of strategy. No one dies. However, see this Zen story:

A Zen master instructed a beginning student to play chess with one of the senior students. Then he told them that the loser would be killed. The student played chess with more concentration devoted to the game than he had ever done before in his life. As he nervously played and shaked his pieces, sweat started to pour off his forehead and all over. He was playing for his life, literally. Then he started winning, his position was very good. And then he started to have compassion for his opponent, not wanting him to be killed, so he purposely made some blunders. The game was a test and no one was killed. The point of the story is that full concentration is needed in every facet of life to succeed and the importance of compassion. Today modern athletes often evoke this Zen attitude, attempting to feel that they will literally die if they do not make the next shot or score, etc.

There are other Dharmic aspects to chess too. The obvious concentration and also letting go and not being greedy. Numerous games are lost when one tries to capture the most pieces or accepts a sacrifice gambit and then the opponent gets the better strategic position and wins. Numerous games are won by the player with fewer pieces.

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