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Is Trump deep inside... a humanist?

Post by fwiw » Wed Oct 09, 2019 2:09 pm

I hope the title of this thread does not misrepresent Paul's view. If so, I can amend it

It started with this:
SethRich wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:30 am
Yes, I agree with this. Interestingly, societies tend to become rich when they adopt market capitalism, have law and order, and actively seek to weed out corruption. Ironically, promoting these things nowadays is likely to see you on the end of a trumped up "impeachment inquiry".
I interpret the above as meaning Trump is actively supporting humanist values. Paul, please let me know if I misrepresent your view by doing so

Here is a proposed definition of humanism from the free dictionary that fit the use of the term I made above
Concern with the interests, needs, and welfare of humans.
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Re: Is Trump deep inside... a humanist?

Post by SethRich » Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:05 pm

Greetings,

Yes, I believe Trump is actually concerned with the "interests, needs, and welfare of humans".

I realise it's a pretty sad indictment on the past century of political leaders that we actually even have to question this motivation of democratically elected leaders, but it's an understandable cynicism, given the operations of "the swamp", the intelligence agencies, the mainstream media, war-mongers etc. and the amazing knack of politicians to somehow become multi-millionaires and billionaires whilst in office, allegedly based on parliamentary salaries alone. (cough, cough).

I think Trump is doing what he's doing to give something back to the people and country he loves, because he's so sick of the American people being taken for a ride by the above-mentioned entities.



Sure, one could argue that he might be undertaking such a heroic task based upon a degree of egoism, but whatever the personal motivation, he's doing it! He's actually "draining the swamp"... he's actually "ending the endless wars"... and if so many people weren't afflicted by Trump Derangement Syndrome or hoodwinked by the media, they would be better placed to see that he's actually doing what many of us have waited and hoped that someone would actually do in our lifetime. For those who can see what he's up to and have been following the plan for some time now... we're comfy, we're enjoying the show, and looking forward to the next 14 months.

How people engage with the next 14 months is a conscious choice, and I encourage people to give some thought as to how they wish to engage with it, because whatever happens is going to happen regardless of one's attitude towards it. At a minimum, I would recommend having an open mind, because having a closed mind risks a strong possibility of cognitive dissonance overload. As for me, I genuinely see him as a world-turning emperor (cakkavatti)... and I know people will scoff and mock such a statement, but I believe it to be true. Replace "the Dhamma" with "God and the Constitution" and see what you think...
‘“But what, sire, is the duty of a noble wheel-turning monarch?” “It is this, my son: Yourself depending on the Dhamma, honouring it, revering it, cherishing it, doing homage to it and venerating it, having the Dhamma as your badge and banner, acknowledging the Dhamma as your master, you should establish guard, ward and protection according to Dhamma for your own household, your troops, your nobles and vassals, for Brahmins and householders, town and country folk, ascetics and Brahmins, for beasts and birds. Let no crime prevail in your kingdom, and to those who are in need, give property. And whatever ascetics and Brahmins in your kingdom have renounced the life of sensual infatuation and are devoted to forbearance and gentleness, each one taming himself, each one calming himself and each one striving for the end of craving, from time to time you should go to them and consult them as to what is wholesome and what is unwholesome, that is blameworthy and what is blameless, what is to be followed and what is not to be followed, and what action will in the long run lead to harm and sorrow, and what to welfare and happiness. Having listened to them, you should avoid evil and do what is good. That, my son, is the duty of a noble wheel-turning monarch.’
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Re: Is Trump deep inside... a humanist?

Post by fwiw » Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:41 am

SethRich wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:05 pm
Yes, I believe Trump is actually concerned with the "interests, needs, and welfare of humans".
For many of us, if not most of us, this is a very outlandish claim requiring outstanding evidence, because there is staggering evidence to the contrary, but I am disappointed to see no effort to provide support for it. As a result, it remains very unconvincing.

Donald Trump asks ‘why did you wait?’ after CIA delayed drone strike to prevent civilian deaths
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 91306.html
Leader's words both publicly and privately suggest wars should be brutal and swift, waged with overwhelming firepower and in some cases, with little regard for innocents
Trump Reportedly Asked His Generals Why We Didn't Drop a Bomb on a Family

'Entire Families Wiped Out': U.S. Airstrikes Killed Many Civilians In Syria

Trump’s brand of war is killing more civilians than before

Civilian Deaths in U.S. Wars Are Skyrocketing Under Trump


I think Trump is doing what he's doing to give something back to the people and country he loves, because he's so sick of the American people being taken for a ride by the above-mentioned entities.
But is this not falling into the same trap as those who pretend to know DT's "inner soul" and see it with a negative bias, without actual knowledge?

he's doing it! He's actually "draining the swamp"...
Is rampant nepotism a sign of "draining the swamp" ?
Donald Trump has been accused of taking nepotism to alarming new depths after giving his daughter, Ivanka, a prominent role in meetings with the G20 and Kim Jong-un.

On Saturday, the French government released a video from the G20 summit in Osaka that showed Ivanka awkwardly interjecting with the French president, Emmanuel Macron, British prime minister, Theresa May, Canadian PM, Justin Trudeau and IMF director Christine Lagarde

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... a-nepotism


Or perhaps nominating a an ex coal industry lobbyist as head of the Environmental Protection Agency?

Trump nominates acting EPA head, an ex-coal lobbyist, to run agency



Or perhaps nominating Betsy Devos, a billionaire who wants to privatize education and has therefore every interest in seeing public education fail as Education Secretary?
Education Secretary Betsy DeVos violated a court order to stop collecting on the debts of some former Corinthian College students and now a judge is weighing sanctions or finding her in contempt of court.
...
The Department of Education has said that more than 16,000 borrowers were incorrectly informed that they owed a payment on their debt, according to a September court filing. About 1,800 had their wages garnished and more than 800 were mistakenly subject to adverse credit reporting.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/09/poli ... index.html

Or perhaps nominating as United States' Special Representative for Venezuela a war criminal who was involved in illegal activity aimed at overthrowing a democratically elected government in Nicaragua, which included assassination and torture of innocent civilians?

he's actually "ending the endless wars"...
Which war exactly has he ended? I see none. He has claimed to have done it. Not in real life as far as I know.


In politics, I think we should never listen to what any politician says, from Trump to Bernie, rather just watch what they do.

I think that if we listen a little less to what Trump says and instead focus on what he is actually doing behind the scenes, we get a much clearer and more accurate picture of what he is all about.
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Re: Is Trump deep inside... a humanist?

Post by SethRich » Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:10 am

Greetings,
fwiw wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:41 am
For many of us, if not most of us, this is a very outlandish claim requiring outstanding evidence, because there is staggering evidence to the contrary, but I am disappointed to see no effort to provide support for it. As a result, it remains very unconvincing.
I'm not here to convince you of anything. I believe this has been said previously.
SethRich wrote: I think Trump is doing what he's doing to give something back to the people and country he loves, because he's so sick of the American people being taken for a ride by the above-mentioned entities.
fwiw wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:41 am
But is this not falling into the same trap as those who pretend to know DT's "inner soul" and see it with a negative bias, without actual knowledge?
Not at all. This is just taking him at his word. (Outlandish concept in this day and age, I know...)
fwiw wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:41 am
Is rampant nepotism a sign of "draining the swamp" ?
If by "nepotism" you mean that his trusted family are also volunteering their services to the American people free of charge, then sure.

He's made clear what "draining the swamp" entails... you choosing to reframe it in a cynical way is neither his nor my doing, so I feel no compulsion to account for it.
fwiw wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:41 am
Donald Trump has been accused...
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SethRich wrote:he's actually "ending the endless wars"...
fwiw wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:41 am
Which war exactly has he ended? I see none.
How about the Korean War? How about the War on Terror? Do you remember what that was like before Trump took over? He promised to "bomb the shit out of ISIS" and he did just that... which enabled many troops to be removed. Also, I'm sure you've heard the more recent hysterical shrieking about troops being withdrawn since.

Peace is the prize.

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Re: Is Trump deep inside... a humanist?

Post by fwiw » Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:07 am

SethRich wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:10 am
I'm not here to convince you of anything. I believe this has been said previously.
Okay, fair enough. I just assumed we were here to discuss the underlying reasons for our views so that we can learn from each other.
SethRich wrote:
fwiw wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:41 am
But is this not falling into the same trap as those who pretend to know DT's "inner soul" and see it with a negative bias, without actual knowledge?
Not at all. This is just taking him at his word. (Outlandish concept in this day and age, I know...)
Okay, fair enough. I explained earlier why I think this is not the best way to approach politicians. But then, what makes Trump more trustworthy than all the others? Is it simply that he was an 'outsider' when he started?
If by "nepotism" you mean that his trusted family are also volunteering their services to the American people free of charge, then sure.
That is not what I mean. In my view, her service is surely as free of charge as our personal data on facebook. But are you saying that nepotism is a fine arrangement in general, or just that it's ok when the Trumps do it?

He's made clear what "draining the swamp" entails... you choosing to reframe it in a cynical way is neither his nor my doing, so I feel no compulsion to account for it.
Okay, could you share what he meant for us? I thought it meant fighting corruption... was I wrong? And what is cynical about the assumption swamp=corruption?

SethRich wrote:he's actually "ending the endless wars"...
fwiw wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:41 am
Which war exactly has he ended? I see none.
How about the Korean War?
Which Korean war? There has been no Korean war lately.

How about the War on Terror? Do you remember what that was like before Trump took over?
Yes, Obama was assassinating people via drone strikes. Trump is doing even more of it, killing substantially more innocent civilians in the process

He promised to "bomb the shit out of ISIS" and he did just that... which enabled many troops to be removed.
I don't see how bombing people can be seen as a good thing on a Buddhist forum, but at this point it's not the first paradox in this thread.

ISIS is financed by the Saudi government, which is an ally of Trump. So Trump is playing both sides in the fight against ISIS. Weird !?
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Re: Is Trump deep inside... a humanist?

Post by SethRich » Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:59 pm

Greetings fwiw,
SethRich wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:10 am
I'm not here to convince you of anything. I believe this has been said previously.
fwiw wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:07 am
Okay, fair enough. I just assumed we were here to discuss the underlying reasons for our views so that we can learn from each other.
We are, and I'll continue to engage on that basis as that's the only basis for conversation that interests me.
SethRich wrote: This is just taking him at his word. (Outlandish concept in this day and age, I know...)
fwiw wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:07 am
Okay, fair enough. I explained earlier why I think this is not the best way to approach politicians. But then, what makes Trump more trustworthy than all the others? Is it simply that he was an 'outsider' when he started?
- His actual campaign and reason for running is to drain the swamp and reverse the disastrous socialist/globalist course that Obama initiated (as per the video I shared recently that you watched the first half of)
- The fact that things he says end up being recognized as true, even if public awareness is often years behind (and he gets lambasted in the interim)
- Promises made, promises kept demonstrates integrity that is virtually unheard of in politics.
- He doesn't need the money, and is actually losing money through this exercise (this fact invariably confounds those who cling to the "greedy capitalist" archetype, so they continue to reframe events to align with their rigid conceptual understanding and insist he must be acting in accordance with their rigid constructs)
- Those with things to hide are terrified of him - on both sides of the aisle... (why else do you think they're so insanely desperate to impeach him?) :spy:



I understand and appreciate your cynicism regarding politicians and how that frames how you approach their words, but do keep in mind that if you automatically assume they are untrustworthy, you are going to create the perception of an untrustworthy person, whether that's true of the individual or not. In doing so, you close off the possibility of anyone ever deviating from your archetype.
fwiw wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:07 am
But are you saying that nepotism is a fine arrangement in general, or just that it's ok when the Trumps do it?
If you're falsely referring to his White House appointments and support network as "nepotism", then I'm not even going to bother responding to such folly. A President can appoint whoever they want to undertake such roles.

If you're referring to the Trump Organisation, my view aligns with US law that requires that the company must act in the best interests of the stockholders. If you are the stockholder, you can do whatever you like (so long as you're not infringing upon the rights of others).
He's made clear what "draining the swamp" entails... you choosing to reframe it in a cynical way is neither his nor my doing, so I feel no compulsion to account for it.
fwiw wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:07 am
Okay, could you share what he meant for us? I thought it meant fighting corruption... was I wrong?
"Corruption" is true, but what you've been (IMO falsely) labelling "nepotism" is not what constitutes corruption. What he is fighting goes well beyond that - it involves countering a network of people who have infiltrated U.S. institutions and engaged in subversion, treason, looted the public purse for personal gain, literally "sold out" the country, and created a two-tiered justice system, to protect and sustain the network as they went. What we typically think of when we think of "corruption" doesn't go nearly far enough. The petty things his detractors accuse him of are shallow and facile, in contrast.
fwiw wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:07 am
ISIS is financed by the Saudi government
Is or was?

As for the "war" side of the equation I don't follow it closely. "Politics" alone has so much misinformation and propaganda involved in it with or without the war component, that getting beyond the fake news propaganda is an effort in itself. It must be doubly hard in the realm of war to separate fact from fictions, and to separate truths, from half-truths, and baseless lies. The one person I did trust and find reliable in this regard is a gentleman going by the name of Thomas Wictor, but he's now only on Quadverum. If you want to pose war-specific questions to someone, as they relate to Trump, he's your man. https://social.quodverum.com/@ThomasWic

I will say though that many people who have (fairly, IMO) held a deep distrust of "neocons" often falsely assume that Trump is yet another neocon, and do not challenge their thinking in this regard. Not challenging this assumption, they bring conceptual baggage like "imperialism", "military-industrial complex", "interventionism" etc. and superimpose it over what's happening, without realizing that it's an ill-fitting and maladjusted overlay. It would be better to apply the concepts that are currently in place, such as "peace through strength" and "ending the endless wars", and judging success or otherwise, through those stated objectives.

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Re: Is Trump deep inside... a humanist?

Post by fwiw » Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:50 am

SethRich wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:59 pm
if you automatically assume they are untrustworthy,
It would be more accurate to say I judge their trustworthiness primarily on the basis of their actions rather than their speeches alone

you are going to create the perception of an untrustworthy person, whether that's true of the individual or not. In doing so, you close off the possibility of anyone ever deviating from your archetype.
I was talking about a method of assessment of trustworthiness, not a rigid archetype. I believe there are honest politicians out there. I think Bernie, Tulsi, AOC, Nina Turner etc. perhaps Ron Paul too to name a few.

If you're falsely referring to his White House appointments and support network as "nepotism", then I'm not even going to bother responding to such folly. A President can appoint whoever they want to undertake such roles.
nepotism (ˈnɛpəˌtɪzəm)
n
favouritism shown to relatives or close friends by those with power or influence

https://www.thefreedictionary.com/nepotism
What Trump has done fits the definition of nepotism perfectly. There is no way around that, unless one wants to believe that the most qualified person in a country of hundreds of millions happened to be the Leader's daughter. What a koinkidink.

fwiw wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:07 am
ISIS is financed by the Saudi government
Is or was?
It's probably a was. I have found no evidence they are funding them right now

It would be better to apply the concepts that are currently in place, such as "peace through strength" and "ending the endless wars", and judging success or otherwise, through those stated objectives.
It seems to me that "peace through strength" means "bombing the s*t out of" innocent civilians and "ending the endless wars" means ending the never existing Korean war
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Re: Is Trump deep inside... a humanist?

Post by SethRich » Fri Oct 11, 2019 4:10 am

Greetings,
fwiw wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:50 am
ending the never existing Korean war
Peace Treaty on Korean Peninsula

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Post by fwiw » Fri Oct 11, 2019 4:29 am

If Trump vows to not create more war in South Korea, that's a good thing. Hardly the same as putting an end to a currently existing shooting war though.

Meanwhile, Trump is deep in cahoots with Saudi Arabia, providing weapons and military support for their ongoing genocide in Yemen. It is weird to cite SK as evidence Trump is committed to "ending endless wars" while avoiding to mention much more obvious evidence to the contrary in Yemen, Irak, Afghanistan etc.

Trump is hardly putting an end to murderous wars where civilians are "accidentally" but routinely targeted by military strikes, in truly terrorist fashion, albeit state enacted terrorism, with which Mr Trump is very familiar with his ramping up of murderous drone strikes, with little care for civilians taken in the crosshairs

We could also talk about murderous economic sanctions on countries like Iran where innocent poor civilians die because life saving medicines are blocked from entering the country
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Re: Is Trump deep inside... a humanist?

Post by SethRich » Fri Oct 11, 2019 4:57 am

Greetings,
fwiw wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 4:29 am
Meanwhile, Trump is deep in cahoots with Saudi Arabia...
Trump's approach to war is that he doesn't start any news wars, and wants to win (rather than endlessly sustain) those that have been started. He wants a coalition of regional partners so neighbours of recalcitrants are empowered and equipped to lead and manage their own efforts.

Again, be mindful not to conflate Saudi Arabia pre-Mohammad Bin Salman with current day Saudi Arabia. Again, be mindful that swamps cannot be drained overnight - but nonetheless it happens - Saudi Arabian purge
fwiw wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 4:29 am
murderous economic sanctions
This hyperbole does no one any favours.

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Post by fwiw » Fri Oct 11, 2019 12:47 pm

SethRich wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 4:57 am
Trump's approach to war is that he doesn't start any news wars,
This is great if this is what he actually does. At least no Venezuela, Iran or NK war so far.


and wants to win (rather than endlessly sustain) those that have been started.
This is not great. Wars should be stopped, period. Violence sustains violence. Every Buddhist knows that, it's written clearly in the Dhammapada

Again, be mindful not to conflate Saudi Arabia pre-Mohammad Bin Salman with current day Saudi Arabia.
Sorry, my tongue got stuck in my cheek. You mean Saudi Arabia before or after the murder of Jamal Kashoggi and thousands of innocent yemenis?

fwiw wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 4:29 am
murderous economic sanctions
This hyperbole does no one any favours.

I think there is evidence this is no hyperbole

U.S. Sanctions Are Killing Cancer Patients in Iran
https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/08/14/u- ... s-in-iran/


Economist Jeffrey Sachs: U.S. Sanctions Have Devastated Venezuela & Killed Over 40,000 Since 2017
https://www.democracynow.org/2019/5/1/e ... tions_have
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Post by fwiw » Sun Oct 13, 2019 11:31 am

Here everyone can see why we should not listen to what Mr Trump says but rather watch what he has been doing

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Post by SethRich » Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:13 pm

Greetings,

But we should listen to what Abby Martin drops on his feet, as if Trump is single handedly responsible for the causes and effects of all conflict in the world?

:roll:

This is getting ridiculous, fwiw.

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Post by fwiw » Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:58 pm

SethRich wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:13 pm
as if Trump is single handedly responsible for the causes and effects of all conflict in the world?

:roll:

This is getting ridiculous, fwiw.
"This is getting ridiculous" is not an argument. It's not a fact either. Just a feeling

Here is a fact:
Abby Martin wrote:Trump... blocked ending Yemen war
April 16, 2019: "Trump Vetoes Measure to Force End to U.S. Involvement in Yemen War"
President Trump vetoed a bipartisan resolution on Tuesday that would have forced an end to American military involvement in Saudi Arabia’s civil war in Yemen, rejecting an appeal by lawmakers to his own deeply rooted instincts to withdraw the United States from bloody foreign conflicts.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/16/us/p ... yemen.html

As Ben Shapiro loves to say, "facts don't care about [our] feelings"
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Re: Is Trump deep inside... a humanist?

Post by SethRich » Sun Oct 13, 2019 9:10 pm

Greetings fwiw,
fwiw wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:58 pm
"This is getting ridiculous" is not an argument. It's not a fact either. Just a feeling
More specifically, it's an accurate response to ridiculous suggestions. For example, this ludicrous idea put forward by you and subsequently repeated in the tweet you quote that sanctions are "murderous". Do you know what economic sanctions are? They're a restriction of bi-lateral trade. Last I checked, trade (i.e. commerce) was a voluntarily entered into arrangement. There is no obligation to trade. To equate the temporary partial or full cessation of trade with "murder" is ridiculous. Fact. There is no further substantiation required. It's a non-sequitur on your part. Pure hyperbole.
fwiw wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:58 pm
Here is a fact: (link to NYT article)
I appreciate the efforts, but it's pay-walled and I'm not paying to read the failing New York Times.
fwiw wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:58 pm
As Ben Shapiro loves to say, "facts don't care about [our] feelings"
Sure, and sanctions aren't "murderous". Sorry if that fact hurts your feelings.

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Re: Is Trump deep inside... a humanist?

Post by fwiw » Sun Oct 13, 2019 9:39 pm

SethRich wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 9:10 pm
More specifically, it's an accurate response to ridiculous suggestions. For example, this ludicrous idea put forward by you and subsequently repeated in the tweet you quote that sanctions are "murderous". Do you know what economic sanctions are? They're a restriction of bi-lateral trade. Last I checked, trade (i.e. commerce) was a voluntarily entered into arrangement. There is no obligation to trade. To equate the temporary partial or full cessation of trade with "murder" is ridiculous. Fact. There is no further substantiation required. It's a non-sequitur on your part. Pure hyperbole.
ridiculous (rɪˈdɪkjʊləs)
adj
worthy of or exciting ridicule; absurd, preposterous, laughable, or contemptible
https://www.thefreedictionary.com/ridiculous
This definition uses only words describing subjective perceptions or feelings

Criminal Negligence Definition:
Reckless disregard for the lives or safety of other persons.
http://www.duhaime.org/LegalDictionary/ ... gence.aspx
U.S. Sanctions Are Killing Cancer Patients in Iran
https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/08/14/u- ... s-in-iran/

Economist Jeffrey Sachs: U.S. Sanctions Have Devastated Venezuela & Killed Over 40,000 Since 2017
https://www.democracynow.org/2019/5/1/e ... tions_have
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SethRich wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 9:10 pm
I appreciate the efforts, but it's pay-walled and I'm not paying to read the failing New York Times.
:jumping:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47958014

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/20 ... litary-aid

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html

https://www.vox.com/2019/4/17/18411863/ ... ie-sanders

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/ ... ar-1278627

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKCN1RS2GH

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/04 ... 15258.html

https://www.france24.com/en/20190417-t ... udi-arabia

https://www.apnews.com/1b17cee217b344d ... 42139fb606

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/04/16/poli ... index.html

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/trum ... ar-n995281



There you go. I hope you manage to find a suitable link to click on
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Re: Is Trump deep inside... a humanist?

Post by SethRich » Sun Oct 13, 2019 9:44 pm

Greetings,

That's quite an array of fake news outlets you've lined up there. It would be a shame if that effort was wasted due to the ridiculousness of your bloviation.

Now, as for the notions of "sanctions" and "murder", let's do a little role play.

I have assessed the situation, and decided that in this topic you're conducting yourself in a manner that's not befitting of engagement. As a reminder, conversation is a voluntarily-entered arrangement, much like trade. As such, I'm enacting a conversation sanction (or embargo, if you prefer), so as to temporarily desist from future correspondence in this topic, until such time as the situation that prompted the sanctions improves. Please note, that any accusations of "murder" at this point, would be utterly "ridiculous".

Kind regards.

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Re: Is Trump deep inside... a humanist?

Post by fwiw » Sun Oct 13, 2019 10:03 pm

SethRich wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 9:44 pm
That's quite an array of fake news outlets you've lined up there
Perhaps you'll find this outlet more palatable to your taste?

Breitbart: "Trump Vetoes ‘Unnecessary’ Bill to End American Involvement in Yemen Civil War"
President Donald Trump vetoed a resolution that would have called for the end of American assistance in Saudia Arabia’s war in Yemen.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019 ... civil-war/
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... in my opinion

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Re: Is Trump deep inside... a humanist?

Post by fwiw » Sun Oct 13, 2019 10:07 pm

SethRich wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 9:44 pm
I have assessed the situation, and decided that in this topic you're conducting yourself in a manner that's not befitting of engagement. As a reminder, conversation is a voluntarily-entered arrangement, much like trade. As such, I'm enacting a conversation sanction (or embargo, if you prefer), so as to temporarily desist from future correspondence in this topic, until such time as the situation that prompted the sanctions improves. Please note, that any accusations of "murder" at this point, would be utterly "ridiculous".
I'm seeing this only now since you edited your last message while I was writing mine and didn't get notified about it

Sure man, no one forces you to engage. We can continue this conversation whenever you feel ready again :toast:
... in my opinion

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