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CCP Virus is correct name

Post by Nicholas » Fri Mar 20, 2020 5:46 pm

A pandemic by another name would still smell as foul: (apologies to the Bard)

https://www.theepochtimes.com/giving-th ... 77200.html

Even Chinese virus slanders millions of Chinese, China virus is better, but CCP virus is best. Give the Commies all the glory they deserve.
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Post by lyndon taylor » Fri Mar 20, 2020 9:00 pm

What a bunch of bullshit, anyone that takes seriously anything from the epoch times needs to have their head examined
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Post by fwiw » Sat Mar 21, 2020 7:13 am

Step 1: Coronavirus outbreak

Step 2: Economic crash, USA had not seen it coming

Step 3: Inject trillions of dollars into Wall Street, to no avail

Step 4: Panic. Manipulating the markets doesn't work any more and the USA see that China may come out of this crisis as a world leader

Step 5: Trump administration implements socialism and decides to wage an anti-China campaign

Step 6: All right wing media turn their propaganda machine to an anti-China shriek, as Trump tries to slyly blame China for the outbreak by calling it the China virus

Setp 7: The name of the virus is so important that it should be discussed on a Buddhist forum
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Post by Bundokji » Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:51 am

Finger pointing and accusations between ideologies is never helpful in my opinion.

I think the current extreme measures nations around the world decided to adopt have less to do with concerns over public health, and more to do with competing over dominance of the world. It is a form of economic warfare and arm twisting among superpowers. Let us hope that this does not escalate into something even worse. Without the mutually assured destruction, we would be witnessing a classical war already. All in my opinion.
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Post by Bundokji » Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:23 am

'Too much knowledge leads to scepticism. Early devotees are the likeliest apostates, as early sinners are senile saints.' – Will Durant.

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Post by fwiw » Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:26 am

There is no conspiracy. Just the world shifting very rapidly before our eyes and the USA shooting themselves in the foot, as every empire on the decline has ever done.

If the US economy does suffer a setback significant enough for China to take the lead, the question will be to which lengths they are willing to go to prolong their world dominance. Escalation into a war seems unlikely but not impossible. The US oligarchy would probably be divided on this issue, and it would probably all come down to a struggle of interests among the top 1 percent of 1 percent.
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Post by Bundokji » Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:43 am

fwiw wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:26 am
There is no conspiracy. Just the world shifting very rapidly before our eyes and the USA shooting themselves in the foot, as every empire on the decline has ever done.

If the US economy does suffer a setback significant enough for China to take the lead, the question will be to which lengths they are willing to go to prolong their world dominance. Escalation into a war seems unlikely but not impossible. The US oligarchy would probably be divided on this issue, and it would probably all come down to a struggle of interests among the top 1 percent of 1 percent.
I am not a fan of a conspiracy theories, and the emergence of the virus itself most likely has nothing to do with conspiracy, but it is extremely likely that its being used as a pretext for economic warfare. The trade war began before the current crisis which was also a part of a political movement promoting nationalism, protectionism and anti-globalism. When a virus is being labelled and associated with certain nations or ideologies (as per the article shared by Nicholas), this is more than a mere public health issue. The labeling is not only done by media, but by politicians on both sides.

It is also worth noting that most nations hesitated to take action at the beginning, including China, the US, the UK and most other nations. The rationalization offered by "flattening the curve" considering the unprecedented social and economic consequences as opposite to the potential benefit of such policies does not make sense to me. Add to this the actions of Saudi Arabia and Russia in relation to oil prices. Under normal circumstances, it would be inconceivable for the largest oil producers to shoot themselves in the foot by pushing the prices even lower.

The biggest victims will be the normal people, and probably this has less to do with the virus and more with economic and social conditions and restrictions of individual freedom under the pretext of the virus.
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Re: Google to the rescue

Post by Nicholas » Sat Mar 21, 2020 3:03 pm

Google now has started their new site with much info & links regarding the CCP Virus:

https://www.google.com/covid19/
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Post by Nicholas » Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:31 pm

Historical survey of pandemics over the centuries; many charts, diagrams etc. Gives perspective when each pandemic's mortality rate as percentage of humanity's total population are compared.

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/histor ... deadliest/
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Post by Ceisiwr » Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:22 am

It’s silly that people complain about “Chinese coronavirus” but are fine with saying “German measles”, or “Spanish flu” 🤷🏻‍♂️

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Post by DNS » Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:50 am

Nicholas, over at DWM you wrote that "The WHO is run by a Communist from Ethiopia"
Nicholas wrote: The WHO is run by a Communist from Ethiopia
The WHO director is Tedros Adhanom.

He was born in Eritrea in 1965 which at that time was part of Ethiopia. Since that time, they have gained independence from Ethiopia. He is a member of the TPLF Party, which was Marxist, but not anymore.
1991–present
Reflecting the changed international context after the demise of Soviet communism by 1990 the TPLF internationally avoided references to Marxism-Leninism. In February 1991 the EPRDF launched its final offensive against the PDRE regime assisted by a large EPLF contingent. When on 28 May 1991 the EPRDF entered Addis Ababa and took power as the Transitional Government of Ethiopia, the TPLF had 80,000, the EPDM 8,000 and the OPDO 2,000 fighters. The total number of TPLF-members was well beyond 100,000.[4]

Reacting to the international political context after the demise of the Soviet Union the EPRDF/TPLF dropped all Marxist references in its political discourse, adopted a program of change based on multi-party politics, constitutional democracy, ethno-linguistic federalization and a mixed economy.[4]
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Post by SarathW » Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:11 am

What I can recall is China did not have many active cases for about two weeks.
My understanding is after two weeks either they recover or die.
What is the reason they still have 5120 active cases and 1729 critical cases?
The ratio of critical cases as a percentage of active cases also does not make any sense.

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Post by DNS » Tue Mar 24, 2020 3:38 am

President Trump is no longer calling it the "Chinese virus."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rachelsand ... cc70c47ade

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Post by Presto Kensho » Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:15 am

I am American citizen who sometimes agrees with President Trump on certain issues, but I am also a Mahayana Buddhist who admires China as a country because of its place in Buddhist history. I hope and pray that both American leaders and Chinese leaders can stop the finger pointing and name calling and work together in this present crisis. May all beings be happy and safe, whether American or Chinese.

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Post by Presto Kensho » Thu Mar 26, 2020 6:09 am

There are documentaries on CGTN showing how seriously Chinese officials and healthcare workers are taking the Coronavirus. They might be worth watching. https://m.youtube.com/user/CCTVNEWSbeijing/videos

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Post by Nicholas » Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:32 pm

Presto Kensho wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:15 am
I am American citizen who sometimes agrees with President Trump on certain issues, but I am also a Mahayana Buddhist who admires China as a country because of its place in Buddhist history. I hope and pray that both American leaders and Chinese leaders can stop the finger pointing and name calling and work together in this present crisis. May all beings be happy and safe, whether American or Chinese.
A pollyanna viewpoint I am afraid. The 'Chinese leaders' are all and only members of the Chinese Communist Party. They are not to be trusted by the Chinese people, much less other nations around the world.

One small example: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/wash ... are-faulty
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Post by Presto Kensho » Thu Mar 26, 2020 6:01 pm

Nicholas wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:32 pm
Presto Kensho wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:15 am
I am American citizen who sometimes agrees with President Trump on certain issues, but I am also a Mahayana Buddhist who admires China as a country because of its place in Buddhist history. I hope and pray that both American leaders and Chinese leaders can stop the finger pointing and name calling and work together in this present crisis. May all beings be happy and safe, whether American or Chinese.
A pollyanna viewpoint I am afraid. The 'Chinese leaders' are all and only members of the Chinese Communist Party. They are not to be trusted by the Chinese people, much less other nations around the world.

One small example: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/wash ... are-faulty
There are two one-hour documentaries on CGTN which show what it's really like for healthcare workers and government officials in Wuhan dealing with the Coronavirus. While some local officials might have botched things early on, China's subsequent response has been coordinated and serious.

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Post by Presto Kensho » Thu Mar 26, 2020 8:01 pm

As usual, there are two sides to the same story:
A Mar 3 study by the University of Southampton estimated that, had non-pharmaceutical interventions (“NPIs”, such as early detection and isolation of cases) been implemented “one week, two weeks, or three weeks earlier in China, cases could have been reduced by 66 per cent, 86 per cent, and 95 per cent, respectively”.

But China-bashing columnists often ignore the study’s broader point: Without China’s subsequent interventions, infected cases “would likely have shown a 67-fold increase”.
https://www.todayonline.com/commentary/ ... ump-racism

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Post by Miorita » Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:55 pm

Presto Kensho wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 6:01 pm
Nicholas wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:32 pm
Presto Kensho wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:15 am
I am American citizen who sometimes agrees with President Trump on certain issues, but I am also a Mahayana Buddhist who admires China as a country because of its place in Buddhist history. I hope and pray that both American leaders and Chinese leaders can stop the finger pointing and name calling and work together in this present crisis. May all beings be happy and safe, whether American or Chinese.
A pollyanna viewpoint I am afraid. The 'Chinese leaders' are all and only members of the Chinese Communist Party. They are not to be trusted by the Chinese people, much less other nations around the world.

One small example: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/wash ... are-faulty
There are two one-hour documentaries on CGTN which show what it's really like for healthcare workers and government officials in Wuhan dealing with the Coronavirus. While some local officials might have botched things early on, China's subsequent response has been coordinated and serious.
It means nothing.
People died but the ideology is there: alive & intact. We're served what we should hear, a nicely wrapped big chunk of something that we're expected to swallow completely. Or do you imagine communist leaders renouncing willingly their status, better life, favors, private businesses just to become nobodies in roughly 1.5 bill. Chinese? It might as well be them again.

I opened your link and surprize: almost every video there is about Xi. :lol:

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Post by Presto Kensho » Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:08 pm

Miorita wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:55 pm
Presto Kensho wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 6:01 pm
Nicholas wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:32 pm


A pollyanna viewpoint I am afraid. The 'Chinese leaders' are all and only members of the Chinese Communist Party. They are not to be trusted by the Chinese people, much less other nations around the world.

One small example: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/wash ... are-faulty
There are two one-hour documentaries on CGTN which show what it's really like for healthcare workers and government officials in Wuhan dealing with the Coronavirus. While some local officials might have botched things early on, China's subsequent response has been coordinated and serious.
It means nothing.
People died but the ideology is there: alive & intact. We're served what we should hear, a nicely wrapped big chunk of something that we're expected to swallow completely. Or do you imagine communist leaders renouncing willingly their status, better life, favors, private businesses just to become nobodies in roughly 1.5 bill. Chinese? It might as well be them again.

I opened your link and surprize: almost every video there is about Xi. :lol:

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I am not a communist. I just believe we should work together with China during the Coronavirus, and give credit where credit is due:
A Mar 3 study by the University of Southampton estimated that, had non-pharmaceutical interventions (“NPIs”, such as early detection and isolation of cases) been implemented “one week, two weeks, or three weeks earlier in China, cases could have been reduced by 66 per cent, 86 per cent, and 95 per cent, respectively”.

But China-bashing columnists often ignore the study’s broader point: Without China’s subsequent interventions, infected cases “would likely have shown a 67-fold increase”.
https://www.todayonline.com/commentary/ ... ump-racism

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