Never Surrender To The Mob

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Never Surrender To The Mob

Post by SethRich » Wed May 20, 2020 10:01 pm

Greetings,

A nice video, done by Candace Owens and Dave Rubin about a chapter from his book "Don’t Burn This Book”



It's about the experiential impacts of being attacked and exiled by the intolerant social justice mob, and why not to let their tyrannical "book burning" attitude force you to submit to their ideology.

Skip straight to 12:42 if you want to get to the bit about whether and when to apologize.

What do you think? If ideological hate mobs abuse you for your beliefs, should you surrender and consent?

:candle:
"He goes to hell, the one who asserts what didn’t take place" (Ud 4.8)
"Let us neither be perpetrators nor victims!" (DN26)

"Transition to greatness" (Donald J. Trump)

:candle: "...his name was Seth Rich..."

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Re: Never Surrender To The Mob

Post by Presto Kensho » Wed May 20, 2020 10:49 pm

SethRich wrote:
Wed May 20, 2020 10:01 pm
What do you think? If ideological hate mobs abuse you for your beliefs, should you surrender and consent?
Dave Ruben has guests on his show that openly support white nationalism. Why should he not expect people to get upset with him? Since Ruben is gay and Jewish, these extremists feel legitimized in their views by appearing on his show. Does he ask these extremists the hard questions one would expect if he had any sort of journalistic integrity? And according to Candace Owens, her only problem with Hitler is that he tried to influence policies outside of Germany.

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Re: Never Surrender To The Mob

Post by Presto Kensho » Thu May 21, 2020 12:19 am

Also, if Dave Ruben didn't switch from liberal to conservative after receiving money from the Koch brothers, people probably wouldn't hate him so much. What does this have to do with social justice?

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Re: Never Surrender To The Mob

Post by lyndon taylor » Thu May 21, 2020 3:52 am

the biggest hate mob in USA is Trump and his supporters.
18 years ago I made one of the most important decisions of my life and entered a local Cambodian Buddhist Temple as a temple boy and, for only 3 weeks, an actual Therevada Buddhist monk.

http://trickleupeconomictheory.blogspot.com/

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Re: Never Surrender To The Mob

Post by SethRich » Thu May 21, 2020 4:44 am

Greetings Lyndon,
lyndon taylor wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 3:52 am
the biggest hate mob in USA is Trump and his supporters.
I'm sorry this is happening to you.

:heart: :group: :console:

:candle:
"He goes to hell, the one who asserts what didn’t take place" (Ud 4.8)
"Let us neither be perpetrators nor victims!" (DN26)

"Transition to greatness" (Donald J. Trump)

:candle: "...his name was Seth Rich..."

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Re: Never Surrender To The Mob

Post by SethRich » Thu May 21, 2020 4:46 am

Greetings,
Presto Kensho wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 12:19 am
What does this have to do with social justice?
Intolerant, book-burning, authoritarian, hate mobs.

See for example, where Candace Owens is attacked for saying things she shouldn't be allowed to say according to those who believe she should remain on the plantation.

So yes, everything to do with it.
Presto Kensho wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 12:19 am
And according to Candace Owens, her only problem with Hitler is that he tried to influence policies outside of Germany.
You would know better if you watched the clip, but if you enjoy comfort in fake news, that is your choice.

Misrepresentation is not praised in the Dharma, but if wilful that's even worse.

Kind regards.

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"He goes to hell, the one who asserts what didn’t take place" (Ud 4.8)
"Let us neither be perpetrators nor victims!" (DN26)

"Transition to greatness" (Donald J. Trump)

:candle: "...his name was Seth Rich..."

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Re: Never Surrender To The Mob

Post by SethRich » Thu May 21, 2020 6:32 am

Greetings Lyndon,
lyndon taylor wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 6:18 am
you're just another hate mobster!!
I repeat, I'm sorry this is happening to you.

:heart: :group: :console:

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"He goes to hell, the one who asserts what didn’t take place" (Ud 4.8)
"Let us neither be perpetrators nor victims!" (DN26)

"Transition to greatness" (Donald J. Trump)

:candle: "...his name was Seth Rich..."

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Re: Never Surrender To The Mob

Post by lyndon taylor » Thu May 21, 2020 7:19 am

we're sorry you're happening to us!!
18 years ago I made one of the most important decisions of my life and entered a local Cambodian Buddhist Temple as a temple boy and, for only 3 weeks, an actual Therevada Buddhist monk.

http://trickleupeconomictheory.blogspot.com/

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Re: Never Surrender To The Mob

Post by SethRich » Thu May 21, 2020 9:39 am

Greetings Lyndon,
lyndon taylor wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 7:19 am
we're sorry you're happening to us!!
Yes. I imagine your attachment to your views, the aversion and intolerance they give rise to, and the resultant vipaka could well be painful... Hence my sympathy towards your predicament.

Likewise, that as per David Rubin and Candace Owens experiences you have no hope of bullying me into not being allowed an opinion, simply because you're attached to your obsolete views and a diabolically incoherent economic model. As per their words, your modern day brown-shirting is weak and ineffective, and your arguments, if they were any good would stand up on their own. Sadly, you don't even try now, so you resort to inane ad-hominem arguments.

:toilet:

I am sorry if that is in any way upsetting. I would love for you to be able to form a coherent, rational argument, but alas. I've said many times "please try harder", but I realise now that saying so may have been ableist, and I apologize for that.

:hug:

Just remember, forums are a place to share and explore ideas, not sulk because others are sharing and exploring ideas. If my ideas are too challenging for you, then you are welcome to add me as a foe, so you will not see my posts. I promise not to take offense...

:group:

In fact, if you did, I would find your sense restraint praiseworthy!

:bow:

Please take care and learn to be tolerant of differing views. It is the adult thing to do, and I think in your heart of hearts you know this.

:hug:

If you and others learn this valuable lesson and start putting it into practice, cultivate tolerance, and learn to love the first amendment of the country you moved to, it may not be necessary to produce videos such as the one above, in the future. Perhaps you could start by watching it and sharing your thoughts and feelings about it?

:heart:

Kind regards.

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"He goes to hell, the one who asserts what didn’t take place" (Ud 4.8)
"Let us neither be perpetrators nor victims!" (DN26)

"Transition to greatness" (Donald J. Trump)

:candle: "...his name was Seth Rich..."

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Re: Never Surrender To The Mob

Post by SethRich » Thu May 21, 2020 11:48 am

Greetings Lyndon,
lyndon taylor wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 11:36 am
you're just the site nazi!!
I'm sorry this is happening to you.

You've descended into incoherent senile ramblings due to your aversion and attachment to wrong views. It is unwise to revile others in this Dhamma, lest sufferings such as these befall you.

Please take care. If you need professional assistance at this time, please do seek it, as I suspect the remainder of 2020 will be no easier for you than the start, given your tenacious grasp on erroneous views, and the impending immolation of the Democrats.

We need you to look after yourself mate. Live to fight another day.

:hug:
"He goes to hell, the one who asserts what didn’t take place" (Ud 4.8)
"Let us neither be perpetrators nor victims!" (DN26)

"Transition to greatness" (Donald J. Trump)

:candle: "...his name was Seth Rich..."

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Re: Never Surrender To The Mob

Post by lyndon taylor » Thu May 21, 2020 12:22 pm

And you call yourself a Buddhist!!!
18 years ago I made one of the most important decisions of my life and entered a local Cambodian Buddhist Temple as a temple boy and, for only 3 weeks, an actual Therevada Buddhist monk.

http://trickleupeconomictheory.blogspot.com/

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Re: Never Surrender To The Mob

Post by SethRich » Thu May 21, 2020 12:27 pm

Greetings Lyndon,
lyndon taylor wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 12:22 pm
And you call yourself a Buddhist!!!
Yes.

I'm sorry this is happening to you.

May your refuge in the Triple Gem bring you protection at these times.

Please take care.

:heart:

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"He goes to hell, the one who asserts what didn’t take place" (Ud 4.8)
"Let us neither be perpetrators nor victims!" (DN26)

"Transition to greatness" (Donald J. Trump)

:candle: "...his name was Seth Rich..."

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Re: Never Surrender To The Mob

Post by lyndon taylor » Thu May 21, 2020 12:54 pm

Your compassion is reserved for the rich and powerful, hardly in line with Buddhist ideals.
18 years ago I made one of the most important decisions of my life and entered a local Cambodian Buddhist Temple as a temple boy and, for only 3 weeks, an actual Therevada Buddhist monk.

http://trickleupeconomictheory.blogspot.com/

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Re: Never Surrender To The Mob

Post by SethRich » Thu May 21, 2020 1:52 pm

Greetings Lyndon,
lyndon taylor wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 12:54 pm
Your compassion is reserved for the rich and powerful, hardly in line with Buddhist ideals.
Compassion is unlimited! It includes both successful people as well as yourself.

:group:

Hence the concern about the self-inflicted harm you're causing yourself, Lyndon!

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"He goes to hell, the one who asserts what didn’t take place" (Ud 4.8)
"Let us neither be perpetrators nor victims!" (DN26)

"Transition to greatness" (Donald J. Trump)

:candle: "...his name was Seth Rich..."

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Re: Never Surrender To The Mob

Post by lyndon taylor » Thu May 21, 2020 2:27 pm

Actually, my successful violin business works just fine with social distancing, how about yours??
18 years ago I made one of the most important decisions of my life and entered a local Cambodian Buddhist Temple as a temple boy and, for only 3 weeks, an actual Therevada Buddhist monk.

http://trickleupeconomictheory.blogspot.com/

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Re: Never Surrender To The Mob

Post by Presto Kensho » Thu May 21, 2020 3:05 pm

SethRich wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 4:46 am
You would know better if you watched the clip, but if you enjoy comfort in fake news, that is your choice.
I actually don't have anything against Candace Owens, except when her words provide cover for white nationalism:
I actually don't have any problems at all with the word "nationalism". I think that the definition gets poisoned by elitists that actually want globalism. Globalism is what I don't want. Whenever we say "nationalism" the first thing people think about, at least in America, is Hitler. You know, [Hitler] was a national socialist, but if Hitler just wanted to make Germany great and have things run well, okay, fine. The problem is that he wanted—he had dreams outside of Germany. He wanted to globalize. He wanted everybody to be German, everybody to be speaking German. Everybody to look a different way. That's not, to me, that's not nationalism.
https://www.businessinsider.com/tpusa-c ... nts-2019-2
I believe that black conservatives are right to feel that the Democratic Party hasn't done enough to help the black community. I even agree with black conservatives when they say it's a form of genocide that organizations like Planned Parenthood have encouraged black women to have abortions at a higher rate than white women. I just don't agree with Owens providing cover for white nationalism, which only hurts her cause.

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Re: Never Surrender To The Mob

Post by Presto Kensho » Thu May 21, 2020 3:07 pm

And about Dave Ruben, yes, he's received money from the Koch brothers and, yes, he's featured white nationalists on his talk show. I don't think people should be making death threats against him, but I understand why people might hate him. On the other hand, I think Ruben and Owens are right that Democrats should stop taking their vote for granted just for being in a minority group.

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Re: Never Surrender To The Mob

Post by SethRich » Thu May 21, 2020 9:04 pm

Greetings Lyndon,
lyndon taylor wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 2:27 pm
Actually, my successful violin business works just fine with social distancing, how about yours??
This is good to hear!

Yes, my full time job remains unchanged except for the location. It's only my Saturday night side hustle that's on hold until restrictions ease up. I use the time instead to listen to my friend's radio show which is on at the same time that I wouldn't otherwise get to listen to.

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"He goes to hell, the one who asserts what didn’t take place" (Ud 4.8)
"Let us neither be perpetrators nor victims!" (DN26)

"Transition to greatness" (Donald J. Trump)

:candle: "...his name was Seth Rich..."

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Re: Never Surrender To The Mob

Post by DNS » Thu May 21, 2020 10:21 pm

lyndon taylor wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 2:27 pm
Actually, my successful violin business works just fine with social distancing, how about yours??
So you're a businessman, AKA, capitalist :pig:

You provide services and goods to people and get paid for your capital and labor. Cool. :thumb:

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Re: Never Surrender To The Mob

Post by SethRich » Thu May 21, 2020 10:37 pm

Greetings,
DNS wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 10:21 pm
You provide services and goods to people and get paid for your capital and labor. Cool. :thumb:
And get to choose it yourself, based on your skills, interests and the economic viability of it.

That's freedom - in contrast to Communism and Futurama.

:candle:
"He goes to hell, the one who asserts what didn’t take place" (Ud 4.8)
"Let us neither be perpetrators nor victims!" (DN26)

"Transition to greatness" (Donald J. Trump)

:candle: "...his name was Seth Rich..."

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