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NZ prime minister expresses solidarity with Muslims

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New Zealand PM Jacinda Ardern Hailed For Expressing Solidarity With Muslims

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Re: NZ prime minister expresses solidarity with Muslims

Post by Charbel » Mon Mar 18, 2019 5:49 am

Needs to stop solidarity with the 'Empire'; which caused this. Al Qaeda has been working for the Empire since before & after 9/11. People hate Islam, even though Al Qaeda is a covert operation of the Empire.

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Re: NZ prime minister expresses solidarity with Muslims

Post by Dorje Shedrub » Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:50 pm

Charbel wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 5:49 am
Needs to stop solidarity with the 'Empire'; which caused this. Al Qaeda has been working for the Empire since before & after 9/11. People hate Islam, even though Al Qaeda is a covert operation of the Empire.
Are you referring to the USA as the Empire?

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Re: NZ prime minister expresses solidarity with Muslims

Post by Kim O'Hara » Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:07 am

Let's be more positive:
On Friday the 15th of March, our Muslim community was attacked in their place of worship. Currently the death toll stands at 50. And the person that carried out these horrific attacks did so in the name of white supremacy and hate.

We are in shock. In anger and in pain. We want to do something. Please join us in this first step now.

The New Zealand Muslim community is hurting.

Let the community know that we stand for a nation where freedom, justice, hope and love are not negotiable values, but at the heart of who we are. Deliver them a message of hope and love to sustain them in the dark days to come.

Send your message of hope now.
https://www.amnesty.org.nz/christchurch ... e-hope-now

As a proportion of the community, the 50 who were killed in Christchurch are the equivalent of more than 3000 in the USA.

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Post by Kim O'Hara » Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:17 am

More about Ardern's response -
Jacinda Ardern is showing the world what real leadership is: sympathy, love and integrity

The New Zealand prime minister has reacted to the Christchurch shootings with steel, compassion and absolute clarity. And she has given us a vision of a better world ...
:reading: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -integrity

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Re: NZ prime minister expresses solidarity with Muslims

Post by Buck McGeehy » Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:38 am

Beloved-of-the-Gods, King Piyadasi, desires that all religions should reside everywhere, for all of them desire self-control and purity of heart.
"The Edicts of King Asoka", an English rendering by Ven. S. Dhammika. Access to Insight (BCBS Edition), 30 November 2013, http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/auth ... el386.html

Solidarity.
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Re: NZ prime minister expresses solidarity with Muslims

Post by Bundokji » Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:46 am

I visited the northern part of NZ once and i met many kiwis when i lived in Australia. I think the kindness and goodness of the people of NZ will help heal the wounds caused by this brutal attack.
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Post by mikenz66 » Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:25 am

Thank you for posting that David. It is inspiring to have a strong leader whose motivation comes from kindness and compassion.

It is also impressive that the local Muslim community has refused to repay this violent terrorist act with hate. "If I got angry he would have won" is the sentiment I've frequently seen expressed.

Of course, there have been some extremely hateful reactions from politicians and commentators around the world, including some truly inept victim blaming. And, sadly, the terrorist does have some sympathy among small factions in New Zealand. All is clearly not perfect here in Aotearoa.

But it appear that hate speech simply won't get traction here. The reaction here echoes the Dhammapada:
Hatred is never appeased by hatred in this world.
By non-hatred alone is hatred appeased.
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Re: NZ prime minister expresses solidarity with Muslims

Post by Cinnabar » Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:51 pm

I have been told that expressing solidarity with a religious group is a violation of one's refuge vows.

I do it anyway. But then again I'm not a good Buddhist.

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Re: NZ prime minister expresses solidarity with Muslims

Post by justsit » Thu Mar 21, 2019 2:30 pm

Cinnabar wrote:
Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:51 pm
I have been told that expressing solidarity with a religious group is a violation of one's refuge vows.
If by "expressing solidarity" you mean "supporting their religious agenda" then perhaps there would be a problem.

If by "expressing solidarity" you mean "supporting the groups' rights to worship how they choose without fear of being slaughtered" then IMO your refuge vows are fine.

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Re: NZ prime minister expresses solidarity with Muslims

Post by Cinnabar » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:35 pm

justsit wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 2:30 pm
If by "expressing solidarity" you mean "supporting their religious agenda" then perhaps there would be a problem.
I'm not exactly sure what "supporting their religious agenda" means.
Most people embrace a faith by birth or as part of their culture.
If they have an agenda, it's to live life with meaning. To be happy.

Some are evangelists or fundamentalists who have larger social and political aims.

Not clear what "religious agenda" is involved in the Christchurch massacre.

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Re: NZ prime minister expresses solidarity with Muslims

Post by justsit » Thu Mar 21, 2019 6:08 pm

Cinnabar wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:35 pm
justsit wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 2:30 pm
If by "expressing solidarity" you mean "supporting their religious agenda" then perhaps there would be a problem.
I'm not exactly sure what "supporting their religious agenda" means.
OK, try substituting "beliefs" for agenda.

I'm curious who told you that about refuge vows.

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Re: NZ prime minister expresses solidarity with Muslims

Post by Cinnabar » Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:12 pm

A teacher of mine.
justsit wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 6:08 pm
Cinnabar wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:35 pm
justsit wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 2:30 pm
If by "expressing solidarity" you mean "supporting their religious agenda" then perhaps there would be a problem.
I'm not exactly sure what "supporting their religious agenda" means.
OK, try substituting "beliefs" for agenda.

I'm curious who told you that about refuge vows.

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Re: NZ prime minister expresses solidarity with Muslims

Post by SarathW » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:02 pm

It is important to note that non-muslims attend a mosque as well.

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Re: NZ prime minister expresses solidarity with Muslims

Post by SarathW » Sat Mar 23, 2019 12:01 am

SarathW wrote:
Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:02 pm
It is important to note that non-muslims attend a mosque as well.

a well-balanced speech by Canadian PM. It has a Buddhist tone.


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Re: NZ prime minister expresses solidarity with Muslims

Post by Buck McGeehy » Sat Mar 23, 2019 6:17 am

Cinnabar wrote:
Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:51 pm
I have been told that expressing solidarity with a religious group is a violation of one's refuge vows.
Lousy teacher. Vows are a training tool. What is the point of prohibiting the expression of solidarity with other human beings if it means expressing support for their safety, peace, and goodwill? "Solidarity" doesn't mean "I agree with everything you believe in."
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Re: NZ prime minister expresses solidarity with Muslims

Post by Cinnabar » Sun Mar 24, 2019 11:33 pm

Buck McGeehy wrote:
Sat Mar 23, 2019 6:17 am
Lousy teacher.
I don't make the rules.

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Re: NZ prime minister expresses solidarity with Muslims

Post by Buck McGeehy » Mon Mar 25, 2019 3:25 am

Cinnabar wrote:
Sun Mar 24, 2019 11:33 pm
I don't make the rules.
I don't follow made-up rules that are unhelpful to practice. Kindly direct me to any teaching which supports the view that expressing solidarity with Muslims is a violation of going for refuge in the triple gem.
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Re: NZ prime minister expresses solidarity with Muslims

Post by Cinnabar » Mon Mar 25, 2019 12:51 pm

I have dharma siblings that would assert that marriage to a non-Buddhist or close friendships with a non-Buddhist is an ethical downfall. I also have dharma siblings that would assert that any spiritual kinship with non-Buddhists is the same.

Buddhism is like any other faith. The rules are something outside the teachings themselves. And Buddhism is like any other faith, prone to ideological orthorexia in these times.

I have lost dharma friends over Christchurch and opinions about it.

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Re: NZ prime minister expresses solidarity with Muslims

Post by justsit » Mon Mar 25, 2019 2:59 pm

Cinnabar wrote:
Mon Mar 25, 2019 12:51 pm
I have dharma siblings that would assert ...
What dharma siblings might assert covers a lot of ground and could be uninformed and totally incorrect. You specifically said your information came from "a teacher of mIne."

You may not make the rules, but you do pick your teacher.

So I'll quote Buck: "Kindly direct me to any teaching which supports the view that expressing solidarity with Muslims is a violation of going for refuge in the triple gem."

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